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Old 11-29-2011, 06:03 AM
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I was speaking to the "legitimate contender" comment.

Yep, I'll give ya that one...maybe a better choice of words would be in order...but I haven't had my morning beer yet.
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Originally Posted by RJtrashPilot View Post
Maybe they'll bring Bob Crandall back to the helm.
He's being interviewed by CNBC

He blames the labor unions, specifically the pilots.
Competitors had too much of a cost advantage with bankruptcy-negotiated labor contracts. (According to him)

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"Do you think this will get the pilot's attention?"
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Trading opened at 23 cents...
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Old 11-29-2011, 06:06 AM
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It's not a pre-packaged BK either (according to CNBC). This doesn't bode well for the creditors I wouldn't think. Sounds like there is none of the DIP financing either that the rest of us had. Anybody got any ideas how this will affect things?
There are signs that Arpey is a "true believer" who had the inclination to pay American's bills. His board tried a spin off of Eagle before realizing that promoting an IPO in front of a pre-planned bankruptcy would likely land someone in jail. Logical disconnects like this suggest that American Management was doing a poor job of gaming the system.

Bankruptcy will help American while harming its competitors. Despite some competitors licking their chops to bite (by buying into) some part of American's network, what will happen is that the competitors' lending costs will increase while American's will decrease.

Expect American to follow the US Air / United / Delta / NWA model in less than 12 months.

American is NOT looking to merge. CNBC is calling for a trans border merger, but it is illegal under current law. American has a large enough network to compete with American and UCAL.
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Originally Posted by DeadHead View Post
He's being interviewed by CNBC

He blames the labor unions, specifically the pilots.
Competitors had too much of a cost advantage with bankruptcy-negotiated labor contracts. (According to him)
Classic right wing fascist corporate monkey.
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Trading opened at 23 cents...
Might increase on Shorts covering their positions, but someone would have to be a real sharp shooter to nail a profit on a stock going to zero.
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Old 11-29-2011, 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by EXTW View Post
The question that has not been asked is "What changes were made to the bankruptcy laws several years ago?" Changes where scheduled to go into effect and Northwest and Delta filed just prior to that happening to get in under the wire as I recall, however my memory is getting old and fuzzy, not unlike my ears.


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IIRC the BK laws affected were for chapters 7 and 13 - personal filers. The credit card lobby wanted to make it harder to file 7 (clean slate) vs 13 (partial repayment).
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I'm telling you what guys, the APA needs a better PR firm, the pilots are getting hammered out there (highest paid, unwilling to negotiate, blah blah blah)...
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I thought that changes in current U.S. bankruptcy laws required companies to negotiate labor contracts before filing. Sure I'm missing something there.
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Old 11-29-2011, 06:11 AM
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Think of this bankruptcy this way. The microwave oven burned someone's lunch at the accounting office's break room setting off the sprinklers and the fire alarms. Other than the accountants who are running around in a haze, the rest of the Company is operating normally and just talking about the "news."

Gerald Arpey's retirement is secure. Usually the rats know more about the integrity of the ship's hull than the rest of the crew working above deck.
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