eaglefly

The Tulsa MTX base has a large percentage of mechanics and the cut there were to be minimal (perhaps 5%), so that in addition to the senior mechaincs elsewhere was enough to garner a > 50% affirmative vote.

Many believe this was a strategic tactical decision to promise this in their TA and after exiting BK I expect another hammer to fall on Tulsa. Of course by then, the forces that be will have already gotten their booty and fled the scene and then the yes voters there will realize they were suckered.........well, actually suckered themselves. If it isn't straight layoffs, then transfers to fill in the holes at the other 2 survivng MTX bases or line positions. A large number of the junior survivors at TUL should probably start getting real estate info in other parts of the country if they plan to stay at AA for any length of time.

lakehouse

I hope you stop posting you dope.

I promise you a large RJ order announcement is coming shortly. They are already lining up the cards for it. Reading your posts makes me shake my head. You go sit over at PNCL and have your wrong opinion, but in the meantime AMR is making all the plays for their large RJ order. Expect an announcement shortly.

tsquare

Which is exactly why "law" is such a slimy business. An opinion is just that. Even a judge's opinion or ruling is subject to reversal if pressed long and hard enough by someone with deep enough pockets to out-bleed the opponent. (If this weren't true, why is Roe v. Wade still being discussed?) My guess here though is that the creditors aren't interested in out-bleeding anybody, and they carry the load at this point in time.

Mesabah

So what? Say AMR orders large RJ's and puts them at Eagle, if the ruling is overturned the pilots then have to be put on the mainline seniority list. If pilot are willing to fight then they can fight, if not, they lose, that's what this is all about. We have an industry that we as pilots voted for by majority yes votes. This BS about you have to vote for something or your career ends is nonsense, and is what is destroying this profession.

If these RJ's show up and you are flying them at Eagle, it will be interesting to watch your posts when the discussions about you joining the mainline list start to come out. Suddenly you will agree with everything I post.

gloopy

Without getting into the specifics, RvW was built on a foundation, many see as obviously intentional, of being overturn-able under a myriad of circumstances. Sort of a "I'll go along with the out of thin air preamble if you throw in a juicy tidbit for later".

Regardless of one's personal views on the subject, and regardless of the underlying morality on either side, RvW as it was written was set up to be a stop gap ruling to be clarified or overturned at a later date. Contrary to popular opinion, it never established a right to abortion, only a newly interpreted "right to privacy" and was pack to the gills with numerous ways to reverse it by using criteria within its ruling.

Just saying. As for APA scope, I hope they pursue it, and it will be interesting to see if they can even get the proxy credit to cosign on the regional feed (those big RJ's are VERY expensive and they want a lot of them) while still in BK with it being a still open and disputed issue (assuming APA fights it hard).

eaglefly

Please, spare us an opinion on abortion. That's as polarized an argument as anything and pointless on this forum. As far as scope, we should be back at the table shortly and we'll see where that goes. More larger RJ's are a certainty, but how many and how large is the question.

450knotOffice

<sigh> Great. More larger RJ's does not help any of us move on....

gloopy

That wasn't an opinion on abortion. Not even close. Neither "side" was argued for or against and I didn't touch the morality of either side either. I was just discussing the corollary someone else brought up WRT RvW, AA's 1113c and judicial activisim/interpretative sophistry. While what's going on at AA has some similarities, there are also some profound differences with the how and why going forward.

Scope being unilaterally abrogated while allowing the company to engage in nuclear self help while at the same time holding labor hostage under an activist court's bizzare version of a newly created one sided, "one way status quo" RLA is certainlly possible. At least until its appealed, and hopefully successfully. But that is flat out legislating from the bench, and different than RvW because if you've read the decision in its entirety, it leaves enormous room for massive changes in the status quo by design, as part of the very decision itself. That is why we are still discussing it, and that is why it is entirely different from what we're seeing here.

That is not the case with the RLA and 1113c. To do what that activist judge did, if it stands, is flat out one man law making based on his personal feelings only. Not only that, but it single handedly eliminates the right of unionization and collective bargaining for private employees to the extent that the scope is judicially abrogated.

lakehouse

uh huh just like the judge would never throw out scope...... he sure did not seem to care.


Sounds like AMR has it made in your wrong hypothetical situation, since in theory everyone at Eagle already has a guarantee to eventually go to American. Heck why not just fence the big RJs to the guys who already have AA numbers.....this is AMR, even if your pipedream were true they would work this out.

mvndc10

Burn That Place Down.....

Nothing wrong with waiting until departure time to call maint about maint items better late then never....

How are those exterior placards looking? or just noted that foreign matter in the radio freq window or LNG alt window etc..

APU bleed air has a needle split between L and R call maint, duct leak...

How is that pesky parking brake bleed down looking???

I wouldn't get near AA right now, Passenger's that buy a ticket on them deserve what they get...

AMR Management asked for it and they got it......