What now?
09-01-2012 | 12:25 PM
#122
Can't abide NAI
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From: Douglas Aerospace post production Flight Test & Work Around Engineering bulletin dissembler
09-01-2012 | 01:05 PM
#123
Gets Weekends Off
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From: window seat
Bucking, while there's no way mainline labor COSTS could match that of Go Jets, one question is to ask is could that be negated by a REVENUE increase to DELTA. To outsource that flying, Delta must relinquish some of the revenue to another operator that would have normally gone to them in order for that operator to make their own profit.
Depending on the circumstances, it might be possible for mainlines to recapture SOME flying like that and break even as opposed to outsourcing.
Depending on the circumstances, it might be possible for mainlines to recapture SOME flying like that and break even as opposed to outsourcing.
That said, we absolutely get full and complete "barganing credit" for the many, many, many billions of dollars wasted on DCI outsourcing blunders to apply to our cost side of the equation. To not do so would be incredibly intellectually disingenuous.
But what fun would that be. Let's hit the links, fire up the stogies, swirl some brandy and chortle at our block hour savings bonuses, fellow B school geniuses! Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
09-15-2012 | 08:49 PM
#124
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From: 737 CA
But a judge cannot abrogate scope, right Mesabah? What did the bk judge just do at AMR? I thought that was against the law? That's what you said. Well?? Funny how it's always about how mainline "sold" scope. We didn't sell jack. It was taken with a gun to our head. Period. The AA pilots are taking the high road, and that has got to feel good. But what did the judge just do? Same result.
Sled
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09-16-2012 | 09:17 PM
#125
Line Holder
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From: EMB 145 CA/FO
I was reading the earlyer part of this thread. I just want to throw in an opinion. The fact is an AA BK has happened. APA pilots will loose. As much as I love a Jimmy Hoffa type approach times have changed and the law is gives the airline the power. Don't fight the airline or other airmen, regional or other majors. Focus your efforts on what can really change this. Government! Put this effort into your senators and local officials. Make them aware and follow up.
Airline bk is like getting legally robbed. Vote YES and get robbed or vote NO and get robbed and your house taken as well.
Airline bk is like getting legally robbed. Vote YES and get robbed or vote NO and get robbed and your house taken as well.
09-17-2012 | 02:20 AM
#126
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I was reading the earlyer part of this thread. I just want to throw in an opinion. The fact is an AA BK has happened. APA pilots will loose. As much as I love a Jimmy Hoffa type approach times have changed and the law is gives the airline the power. Don't fight the airline or other airmen, regional or other majors. Focus your efforts on what can really change this. Government! Put this effort into your senators and local officials. Make them aware and follow up.
Airline bk is like getting legally robbed. Vote YES and get robbed or vote NO and get robbed and your house taken as well.
Airline bk is like getting legally robbed. Vote YES and get robbed or vote NO and get robbed and your house taken as well.
Well, we are STAYING loose, but have no plans to LOSE. Not sure what you are referring to about Hoffa. As far as I know, no has had their kneecaps broken yet. As for the rest of your advice, we'll take it under advisement.
09-17-2012 | 08:13 AM
#127
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But a judge cannot abrogate scope, right Mesabah? What did the bk judge just do at AMR? I thought that was against the law? That's what you said. Well?? Funny how it's always about how mainline "sold" scope. We didn't sell jack. It was taken with a gun to our head. Period. The AA pilots are taking the high road, and that has got to feel good. But what did the judge just do? Same result.
Sled
Sled
09-17-2012 | 11:25 AM
#129
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But a judge cannot abrogate scope, right Mesabah? What did the bk judge just do at AMR? I thought that was against the law? That's what you said. Well?? Funny how it's always about how mainline "sold" scope. We didn't sell jack. It was taken with a gun to our head. Period. The AA pilots are taking the high road, and that has got to feel good. But what did the judge just do? Same result.
Sled
Sled
AA has not ordered larger RJ's as of this time because it does not have a consensual agreement with its pilots to operate those aircraft. That supposed gun against your head is imaginary.
09-19-2012 | 07:35 AM
#130
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From: M88B
I am watching from the bleachers and as such I don't get to take a snap in this game. However it doesn't appear the mechanics are going to fare too well after the deal they struck with management.
Did I read that right? they are letting 4400 guys go that actually tried to play the game their way. Bankruptcy sucks for most involved. Unless you have one of those nice parachutes to catch you.
Did I read that right? they are letting 4400 guys go that actually tried to play the game their way. Bankruptcy sucks for most involved. Unless you have one of those nice parachutes to catch you.
