Crandall to AA pilots:
09-27-2012, 04:24 AM
#11
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How much of Crandall's Retirement Money was flushed in the Bankruptcy?
Is he still drawing any money from AA??
Perhaps if some of his money went down the toilet too, he might have a different perspective?
But, what did you expect a life long CEO to say?
It's ALWAYS Labor's Fault.
Always.
Managment is always right!
Now....get back to WORK!
Is he still drawing any money from AA??
Perhaps if some of his money went down the toilet too, he might have a different perspective?
But, what did you expect a life long CEO to say?
It's ALWAYS Labor's Fault.
Always.
Managment is always right!
Now....get back to WORK!
09-27-2012, 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
How much of Crandall's Retirement Money was flushed in the Bankruptcy?
Is he still drawing any money from AA??
Perhaps if some of his money went down the toilet too, he might have a different perspective?
But, what did you expect a life long CEO to say?
It's ALWAYS Labor's Fault.
Always.
Managment is always right!
Now....get back to WORK!
Is he still drawing any money from AA??
Perhaps if some of his money went down the toilet too, he might have a different perspective?
But, what did you expect a life long CEO to say?
It's ALWAYS Labor's Fault.
Always.
Managment is always right!
Now....get back to WORK!
09-27-2012, 10:13 AM
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Actually Crandall wasn't all that original with his B-scale. It was the UAL pilots that agreed with their CEO Farris to cut pay and benefits for new hires with the understanding Farris would buy new airplanes and grow the airline, more than a year before Crandall came along.. Farris failed to do as he said and UAL paid for it with the strike in 1985. So you see Crandall was not such an inovator and is by no means the airline genious so many, led by himself, think him to be and if you look further you will find that the management teams that have destroyed AA learned at Crandall's knee. Yes, even though to many it is sacriledge, the demise of American Airlines began with Robert L. Crandall.
09-27-2012, 10:48 AM
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For those who weren't around during the Crandall era, this article from 20 years ago may be interesting:
The Airline Mess - Businessweek
The Airline Mess - Businessweek
09-27-2012, 10:53 AM
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Appreciate a lot of your posts Tom, and thank you for your reminder about Crandall. Apparently he has forgotten:
Circumstances have changed, but in Crandall's world management is always the victim. I do not agree.
At American the Company had billions and has operationally earned many more millions while in bankruptcy. Who's the real villain? Billionaire entities which will not pay their bills, or the employees who worked for their earnings, but who are not not getting paid?
To hear Crandall tell it, he is the most misunderstood man in Corporate America. "We are more victims than villains," he says. Victims of carriers in Chapter 11, such as Continental Airlines Inc. and Trans World Airlines Inc., that have used their bankruptcy status to lower costs unfairly.
At American the Company had billions and has operationally earned many more millions while in bankruptcy. Who's the real villain? Billionaire entities which will not pay their bills, or the employees who worked for their earnings, but who are not not getting paid?
09-27-2012, 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by boog123
No, the beginning was pilots accepting the b scale.
Crandall's desire to impose B-scales was in direct response to UAL Pilots signing their Blue Skies contract almost a year earlier - THE most concessionary contract ever to have hit the airline pilot profession to date.
Agreed about APA accepting B-scales - it eroded the profession that much further.
Edit: Night Hawk 6, just saw your post - spot on.
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