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Old 11-10-2012, 04:29 AM
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Early word is that APA caved on scope and pay. Skimpy raises, loads of 76-seaters and wide-open code sharing. If the early word is accurate, a new sales tour will begin to once again convince the pilots to lick a dogpoop lollipop.......only with frosting this time.
The company wanted 88 seats in the term sheet, and 79 in the TA. 76 is industry standard and a big win considering we're in BK.
go back to Eagle.
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Old 11-10-2012, 04:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Mason32 View Post
The company wanted 88 seats in the term sheet, and 79 in the TA. 76 is industry standard and a big win considering we're in BK.
go back to Eagle.
Que the Blame the Delta MEC in three, two, one ...
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Old 11-10-2012, 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Mason32 View Post
The company wanted 88 seats in the term sheet, and 79 in the TA. 76 is industry standard and a big win considering we're in BK.
go back to Eagle.
Industry standard where? At 2 airlines? US and DL?

Industry standard at WN and JB sure isn't outsourcing 76 seats. I'd say the fact that a pilot has been convinced that this is industry standard and a "big win" is a big loss for pilots everywhere.
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Originally Posted by Mason32 View Post
The company wanted 88 seats in the term sheet, and 79 in the TA. 76 is industry standard and a big win considering we're in BK.
go back to Eagle.
This statement is disturbing. Industry standard? Companies who dont outsource 76 seats are:

SWA

AIRTRAN

UNITED

ALASKA

JETBLUE

SPIRIT

VA

What the hell are you basing "industry standard on"? US & Delta, thats all!
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Old 11-10-2012, 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Mason32 View Post
The company wanted 88 seats in the term sheet, and 79 in the TA. 76 is industry standard and a big win considering we're in BK.
go back to Eagle.
Glad you're not on the APA negotiating team.

Or are you...?
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Old 11-10-2012, 07:10 AM
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His statement is true. All the carriers your listing are low cost who aren't big enough to farm out regional flying. Who also do not hop the pond and are NOT legacy carriers. UNITED does farm out 76 seats too. Those carriers also will never reach the size of places like AA or DL.
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Old 11-10-2012, 07:19 AM
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So just because a carrier is big enough to outsource (whatever that means?) and flies internationally, it's pilots should accept a crap contract offer?

Yikes.

APAer's - please hold the line on scope.
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Old 11-10-2012, 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by GAPILOT36 View Post
His statement is true. All the carriers your listing are low cost who aren't big enough to farm out regional flying. Who also do not hop the pond and are NOT legacy carriers. UNITED does farm out 76 seats too. Those carriers also will never reach the size of places like AA or DL.
Turbo props, and theyve been fighting tooth and nail to tighten it.
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Old 11-10-2012, 08:04 AM
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Originally Posted by GAPILOT36 View Post
His statement is true. All the carriers your listing are low cost who aren't big enough to farm out regional flying. Who also do not hop the pond and are NOT legacy carriers. UNITED does farm out 76 seats too. Those carriers also will never reach the size of places like AA or DL.
Negative. CAL scope 50 seats (74 seat props) / UAL scope 70 seats. Not a single 76 seater at UNITED....At least not yet.
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Old 11-10-2012, 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by GAPILOT36 View Post
All the carriers your listing are low cost who aren't big enough to farm out regional flying. Who also do not hop the pond and are NOT legacy carriers.
Hmm, sounds kind of like Hawaiian, too.

United, Alaska and Hawaiian are three legacies that don't outsource 76-seat feed.
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