Have you been paying attention to the past couple years? He's spot on

 

I think you're confused. Might be time to retire.

But then again I'm confused a lot too so I guess it's time for me to retire.

Wait....what?

 

The recent steps in pay increases have been due to coming out of concessionary contracts from bankruptcy.

 

DAL scope re-capture, eliminated DCI jobs, seats and number of passengers traveling on DCI carriers while expanding mainline flying. 76 seaters were already on property. Some get hung up on the plane. It is all about seat numbers and number of DCI pilots flying Delta passengers and they all have been significantly reduced. Plus the language and metrics tied to all of the DCI have been improved. (ie no turbo props)

So where did DAL lower the bar?

Clean your house set the BAR higher than what DAL did and maybe there will be some constructive argument.

 

I'll have to research, but I don't think AS has protection against 76 seats. DAL/UAL have been around for 80 plus years. JetBlue has been around for less then 15 years. Their time will come. As their costs continue to rise, management will look to outsource. Since the pilots have no union, they won't be able to stop it. VA pays Regional wages, and also has no union. Spirit doesn't really have a route structure conducive to RJs. No hub and spoke makes it tough to support RJs. SWA scope has never been challenged. It's pretty easy to hold the line when no one attempts to move it.

United pilots will likely fail in holding on to less then 50/70 seats. There is simply zero leverage to do so. The best they can hope for is to limit airframes to 76 seats and a MGTOW of 86,000 lbs, then limit those airframes based on mainline flying. If mainline shrinks, so do the RJs.

 

I have not received anything on this TA.

 

I just read it. I'm a NO vote again.

4/2/2 pay raises. No night pay, yes int'l override of $6 hr for CA and about $4 hr for FO
Pay protection and sequence protection...finally currently since the 1960's AA pilots have only had their last trip of the month pay protected, and only for mx cancels. And you must make attempt to fly in make-up for up to 8 hrs after your footprint
New pay protect you are obligated to fly footprint plus another day till 2pm

Still has out of base 24 off in 7. Also can be out of country so they can schedule reserves in excess of 20 days in a row. I personallly was on reserve for 15 days in a row last and this month. I had 3 trips out of the country and they used my time in Brazil as my 24 off in 7.

My understanding is with PBS at UAL/CAL and DAL you must have 24 off in base in 7 days. We do not will not have that. This is ugly.

Scope give to 76 seats. I could not tell if it was 50% or more of narrowbody fleet. As usual the contraact language I couldn't decifer total percentage.

Looks like the E-175 will be flying 8/72 seats adjusted to 76 seats.

I skimmed the whole document over a 1 hour period. I'll read it more thouroghly tomorrow.

20 pages on drug testing and they will begin testing for Xanax Alposomething

Very disappointed.

It says furlough protect for 90% but then why do I believe they might furlough 2,000 pilots when parking the S80 ???

I see very very little improvement in this over the last best final offer.

I'll be voting NO. I knew the 113 term sheet would be bad. I've been saving lots of money the last 2 years preparing for this fight.

Wish us well! Thanks
An American Airlines first officer
7576FO

 

Any aircraft between 76 seats and 110 seats would be in group 1 and CA pay would be 106 or 108 an hour.

Horizon Air pilots make $113 for the DHC-400 76 seats.

Most likley if we get E 190's at AA 11/88 seats they would pay $106-108 hr for CA. Jet Blue is much higher.

I realize the old addage get them on property and then negotiate higher pay later, but we'd be talking 10+ years to raise group 1 pay.

No disrespect intended to JB or QX pilots all great pilots.

 

7576FO can you post the part on scope?

 

Alprozolam (sp?) is the generic of xanax.