American and pilots reach tentative pact
11-10-2012, 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by fullflank
This statement is disturbing. Industry standard? Companies who dont outsource 76 seats are:
SWA
AIRTRAN
UNITED
ALASKA
JETBLUE
SPIRIT
VA
What the hell are you basing "industry standard on"? US & Delta, thats all!
SWA
AIRTRAN
UNITED
ALASKA
JETBLUE
SPIRIT
VA
What the hell are you basing "industry standard on"? US & Delta, thats all!
I will agree that it would be nice for all flying to be done by mainline, but American would not be any different to the airlines that are similar to it.
You cannot compare Low Cost Carriers to the Legacy airlines. If you don't like the fact that american and united will scope out 76 seat jets, go work for Jet Blue, the option is there for you. Im not bashing all i am saying is that its pretty obvious that american united and delta will be pretty similar going forward, and pay and benefits will be way better than the low cost carriers in the future.
11-10-2012, 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by fullflank:1290376
Originally Posted by Mason32
The company wanted 88 seats in the term sheet, and 79 in the TA. 76 is industry standard and a big win considering we're in BK.
go back to Eagle.
go back to Eagle.
SWA
AIRTRAN
UNITED
ALASKA
JETBLUE
SPIRIT
VA
What the hell are you basing "industry standard on"? US & Delta, thats all!
11-10-2012, 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Mason32
The company wanted 88 seats in the term sheet, and 79 in the TA. 76 is industry standard and a big win considering we're in BK.
go back to Eagle.
go back to Eagle.
Will codesharing allow them to outsource half our fleet to bigger jets than E175's ?
Did they promise us an Industry Standard contract and not to agree to anything less ?
Believe me, I'd LOVE to wrong, but I'm hearing its lipstick on the pig we rejected.
11-10-2012, 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by texaspilot76
An AA/ US merger would create an exceptional company and a force to be reckoned with. They would be on par with delta and united. Plus, consolidation is good. It forces airfares higher, leading to higher profits, which leads to more pay for us.
11-10-2012, 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by R57 relay
What is UA's limit?
Highly likely though that our "top secret Agreement in Principle" might allow 76 seats.
11-10-2012, 11:23 AM
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AA PILOTS! I know it's fun to talk about the smaller jets. Please don't forget the very large code sharing stuff (I know you guys won't as you are the butt kickers among us). We need your strong leadership!
Your friendly neighborhood CAL pilot.
Your friendly neighborhood CAL pilot.
11-10-2012, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by uaav8r
On current UA scope WRT #seats...UAL=70 seat RJ's, CAL=50 seat RJ's (larger turboprops allowed at CAL)
Highly likely though that our "top secret Agreement in Principle" might allow 76 seats.
Highly likely though that our "top secret Agreement in Principle" might allow 76 seats.
11-11-2012, 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by texaspilot76
Plus, consolidation is good. It forces airfares higher, leading to higher profits, which leads to more pay for us.
Originally Posted by Grumble
You haven't been around this industry very long have you?
11-11-2012, 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Grumble:1290439
Originally Posted by texaspilot76
An AA/ US merger would create an exceptional company and a force to be reckoned with. They would be on par with delta and united. Plus, consolidation is good. It forces airfares higher, leading to higher profits, which leads to more pay for us.
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