Rudder1

Why is this argument even happening?

Life isn't fair. Live up to your word.

binding is binding

hockeypilot44

Who do you work for? This is the least intelligent post on this thread.

Rudder1

gojets...........

Wiskey Driver

Seeing only that which you want to see and nothing that even resembles the truth. I accuse you of not honoring our agreement. Who you decided to hitch your wagons to is your business.

The east argues about fairness but had two years to put together something they felt was fair and did not. The east held on to DOH at all costs and that was even after the arbitrator said that was never going to happen. Then you come after the fact, after the you failed to get DOH and say lets make a deal? NO WAY JOSE not gonna happen!

I give you guys credit though you it costs millions to Seham to stall the process and cost many of the east pilots time and money. I use to hear many say " we dont want the money if the nic is involved" Well guess what, you dont have the money! Then you spend the last 5 years stealing what you failed to earn in arbitration all the while begging Parker to raise your pay to at the very least what ours is. His answer, NO WAY JOSE, contract or you get NOTHING! So you fully aware of the situation chose nothing.

Now in the end everybody on the planet except the east knows that the NIC will be the list submitted in any SLI with another carrier. Should no merger occur well then you will stay on LOA 93 until there is a contract and with that contract comes the NIC. So basically this is all really up to you., accept move on and get paid or stay and the bottom with the industries worst contract in the history of aviation.

WD at AWA

LittleBoyBlew

Does that include the 9th Circuit Courts of Appeal and Judge Silver?? Because according to them, your precious Nic. CAN BE modified.
Listen bud, there's no sense in getting our panties in a wad, the end game is fast approaching.....Its like the NBA finals, you cannot call a winner until the clock runs out..
Have a happy new year. Maybe 2013 will get us a pay raise..If not..well....you guys SUCK!!

Wiskey Driver

APA Updates

YourAPA leadership has received a variety of questions about the memorandum ofunderstanding (MOU) negotiations between APA, AMR and US Airways management,and the US Airline Pilots Association representing the US Airways pilots. Whilewe remain bound by the terms of the non-disclosure agreement we signed thatfacilitated the MOU negotiations, we can answer the following frequently askedquestions regarding the significance of the MOU and what the next steps wouldbe if a merger takes place between American Airlines and US Airways.

Q: What is theMOU and why has it not been released to the pilots?

A: The MOU isthe result of negotiations among APA, US Airways, American Airlines and USAPA,along with the participation of counsel for the Unsecured Creditors’ Committee(UCC), regarding the terms of a transition in the event of a possible mergerbetween American and US Airways. These negotiations began after lawyers for theUCC late last year asked APA to engage in discussions with the companiesregarding a potential MOU that would govern a pilot transition into a mergedentity.

Atthat time, the merger negotiations had been governed by a confidentialityagreement that the UCC, American and US Airways had negotiated. That agreementprohibited the parties from further negotiations with APA or USAPA duringmerger negotiations. Accordingly, previous talks among US Airways management,APA and USAPA had ceased in August.

InDecember, the UCC and the companies asked APA and USAPA to enter intodiscussions with the companies for the purpose of negotiating an MOU governingthe transition into a merged entity in the event of a merger. This allowed theunions to have input regarding the labor consequences from a pilot perspectiveof a merger. However, the unions’ participation was contingent on theiragreement to be bound by a non-disclosure agreement like the other parties tothe merger negotiations. USAPA and APA each individually engaged in a series ofexchanges over the terms of the agreement and both unions signed thenon-disclosure agreement (NDA). The NDA covers a range of confidential businessinformation and, not surprisingly, implicates disclosure obligations underfederal securities laws.

Pursuantto the NDA, USAPA and APA have engaged in negotiations over the terms oftransition in case of a possible merger, and these terms are contained in theMOU that the APA Board of Directors approved on Dec. 29, 2012 and the USAPABoard of Pilot Representatives (USAPA BPR) approved on Jan. 4, 2013. APA andUSAPA have requested that US Airways, American and the UCC agree to permit APAand USAPA to disclose the terms of this MOU notwithstanding the NDA.

Q: When will acomplete copy of the MOU be made available to the pilots?

A: We are not certain on timing at this point, but rest assured you will haveplenty of time to review the complete MOU well in advance of any merger betweenUS Airways and American. We are working with the companies and the UCC onexact timing and will continue to push for release from the NDA at the earliestopportunity so we can provide you with the MOU.

Q: Why are USAPA-represented pilots being given a copy of theMOU and a vote to ratify?

A: To be clear, the USAPA BPR has reviewed the MOU, but theUSAPA pilots, like the APA pilots, have not and cannot review the MOU untilUSAPA and APA are granted relief from certain provisions of the NDA.

The MOU will act as a brand-new collective bargaining agreement (CBA) for theUSAPA pilots, which is why they will have an opportunity to vote on it.However, for APA-represented pilots, the MOU only amends the new CBA, asopposed to creating a whole new agreement.

Q: When does the MOU become effective for APAand USAPA?

A: The MOU does not become effective for APAunless and until a merger is approved as a part of a plan of reorganization(POR). Assuming the USAPA pilots ratify the MOU, it will similarly becomeeffective for them when a merger is approved as a part of a plan ofreorganization. However, if the USAPA pilots reject the MOU, it will not applyto USAPA-represented pilots.

Q: If a merger were to occur, when would the reorganized NewAmerican Airlines exit bankruptcy?

A: We have no clear answer, as a merger would be subject to,among other things, antitrust review by the Department of Justice. But it isreasonable to expect an exit sometime later in 2013.

Q: Will APA orUSAPA represent the combined pilot group?

A: Assuming that a POR with a merger is agreed upon andapproved by Bankruptcy Judge Sean Lane, we anticipate that, within four monthsof the effective date, APA will file a single carrier petition with theNational Mediation Board (NMB) to obtain a determination that thepost-bankruptcy “New American Airlines” (New American), and US Airways are asingle employer for labor relations purposes. We estimate the NMB may take upto six months from the date of filing to make that determination. Once it findsthat a single transportation system exists, APA and USAPA have 14 days toproduce a showing of interest by 50+ percent of the combined pilot group totrigger a representation election. The combined pilot workforce would be about12,400 pilots, based on 8,201 pilots represented by APA and 4,197 pilotsrepresented by USAPA. Consequently, the unions would have to produce a showingof interest of approximately 6,200 pilots. Given the numbers, APA will be thelikely collective bargaining agent for the combined pilot group.

WD at AWA

LittleBoyBlew

Thxs for posting... The MOU would in fact serve as a NEW CBA for the USA pilots. However, anything that includes the Nic would have derailed any cohesion amongst the BPR. This tells me that there might be provisions to maintain the status-quo until MB protocols can be implemented..Like I said, no winner in this fight..The end game will allow ALL of US to move forward.

R57 relay

I have lived up to my word. If you have some evidence otherwise show it or drop it.

For the British in 1776, many married folks that didn't want to be but ended up divorced and former AWA pilots, not as binding as it was thought to be.

Wiskey Driver

Again you see only that with which you want to see and nothing at all that even resembles the truth. Certainly the court said you can modify the if you so desire. The court ALSO said that the west would more than likely sue. Let me help end that doubt, likely sue? 100% will sue usapa and LCC!

Now as for the 9th circuit, they only held up on ripeness however no matter how many time you are told you still believe that the 9th absolved you when in fact they did nothing of the kind.

Yup NBA finals but this aint Boston and Miami its more like Miami and Indiana. Its easy to see the victor prior to the jump ball.

Good luck on that pay raise and I do hope that you can stomach the nic.

WD at AWA

R57 relay

Wrong again, but when you are on a roll, why stop?

Your #1 would not have be in the same place on the Nic, now would he? Our returned furloughed pilots would not. And then the not so tiny issue that as time goes by, the vast majority of west pilots move drastically up in relative seniority at the cost of east pilots. And that would be a fact.

A little light reading for you. Sums it up very clearly.

http://www.planebusiness.com/planebu...cusairways.pdf