cactiboss

And yet they aren't completely dysfunctional. Says a lot about the east.

Wiskey Driver

Very interested in what you think an east law suit would be about. What would the claim be? That you got back and arbitration decision and didnt like it so you will sue?? Really curious on this. Now with all due respect to you and your position you CAN change sec 22 you just cant change something that was awarded by arbitration to something that completely disadvantages the minority is all.

WD at AWA

R57 relay

That a new union has the right to renegotiate any section of the contract they inherited.

You are defining DFR, thing is, you won't be the one that gets to do that. A judge will. And it doesn't look like that will be done before a merger with AA.

cactiboss

What union are you going to sue?

Wiskey Driver

Ok now i see how the signals are getting crossed. A union has that right but there is a small piece that you are leaving out. That section of the agreement was sent to an arbitrator to decide and that decision was rendered. Now this new union wishes to now try and change what has already been decided and the changes they want are to the grave disadvantage of the other party. The courts really want this to end and the fast way is to give usapa what they want have the company accept then file an injunction to stop it and bring a hybrid against LCC and monetary damages and be done with it.

WD at AWA

justjack

Wiskey,
You said "Hey if the company didn't fear being sued you would have now wouldnt you?" Not exactly sure what you mean but again, I assure you that the company does not fear being sued. The company does not fear ANYTHING that the the pilots can ever threaten- not from you and not from us. (Just look at this report on how our retirement ended up in the PBGC- a common criminal would be more cautious.) These are not normal citizens like you and I. They do not care if what they are doing is morally wrong. They do not care if you are miserable, crazy- bankrupt, divorced, sick, as long as you safely, cheaply fly the plane. They do not live by the same rules and the sooner we realize this the better off we will be- and maybe we can find that "inner peace" that you speak of.
US Airways Pilots First to Investigate PBGC-Trusteed Pension - Forbes
The company is not worried about 1700 disgruntled pilots. What difference does the pesky legal system make when you have deep pockets? We do agree on one thing. It is all about money and y'all ain't got enough of it - neither do we. Basically I agree with this article by Ted Reed.
US Airways Pilots, After Long Wait, Want Payoff From AMR Merger - TheStreet

Sadly, as long as the RLA is in effect, both sides must agree to a negotiated settlement. Our contracts NEVER EXPIRE- they only become amendable. We can all go down kicking and screaming- but the company will run out the clock. Your 1700 pilots and their law suits might be a problem for USAPA but you are no threat to the company. Surely you do realize this.

cactiboss

Do you think the 1700 west pilots law suits are a threat to the apa?

justjack

could be- but I doubt that it will work out that way, Cacti. Anybody's guess, which is why there's no point in speculation. We will soon see.

justjack

You know I have always said that everybody has a price. No cut to anyone involved. It's just human nature. I think that the East pilots would have moved off of DOH if Parker had offered enough. I think the West would have moved off of the NIC if Parker had offered enough. Money takes the sting out of most things- they have it, we need it. (particularly after years of wandering in the desert) And they all know this.

justjack

Cacti, If I were in charge over at the APA, I would make darn sure that ANY merger language would include a way to NEVER, EVER get tangled up in the East/West dispute. Otherwise, no merger. It seems to me that they are well aware of the *******storm this has been USAirways. We have all certainly given them an education as to what they would be in for- just on this site alone. They would be idiots to get involved with this toxic mess.