Fleet basing post merger
05-05-2013 | 09:52 AM
#142
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Meanwhile, back at the topic...
If I understand correctly, other than the top widebodies, original DL and former NW pilots can now bid any base and/or aircraft in the new DL system. That makes it much easier to deploy assets where they most make sense.
I know Parker promised the AA pilots seven year fences at the beginning of the merger talks (and I don't know if that even made it into the AA MOU). But if that is the case, it would not be as easy to deploy an A330 to JFK, or a 737-800 to PHL, without incurring the cost of many RON's by the pilots who still have the fenced rights to fly those aircraft.
Of course, any fences that are in place could always disappear in a JCBA. But that will be at least a couple of years hence. It sounds as if Parker and Kirby are itchy to start re-deploying assets right away.
At DL- Whales have remained based in dtw, but deployment has changed some.
Narrowbody airbuses have been reallocated to shorter haul routes while 737NGs (lower cost for long legs) have taken over the transcons that they used to do.
A330s have been sent more and more to south america to take advantage of the cargo hauling capability.
Narrowbody airbuses have been reallocated to shorter haul routes while 737NGs (lower cost for long legs) have taken over the transcons that they used to do.
A330s have been sent more and more to south america to take advantage of the cargo hauling capability.
If I understand correctly, other than the top widebodies, original DL and former NW pilots can now bid any base and/or aircraft in the new DL system. That makes it much easier to deploy assets where they most make sense.
I know Parker promised the AA pilots seven year fences at the beginning of the merger talks (and I don't know if that even made it into the AA MOU). But if that is the case, it would not be as easy to deploy an A330 to JFK, or a 737-800 to PHL, without incurring the cost of many RON's by the pilots who still have the fenced rights to fly those aircraft.
Of course, any fences that are in place could always disappear in a JCBA. But that will be at least a couple of years hence. It sounds as if Parker and Kirby are itchy to start re-deploying assets right away.
05-05-2013 | 10:26 AM
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From: Bigg Bird!!
The most probable reason for the Co. retaining 3rd party interest in the SLI process is to avoid having fences detract from the " sinergies" promised to the new owners, the UCC. With a well proportioned mix of AB and Boeing AC, the Co. needs the flexibility to deploy assets to better match market conditions. AA begins receiving ABs in August, last I heard. US already has them. Look for fleet mixing to optimise revenue. The 330s might need to be re deployed to replace 777s. These will be needed for the heavy lift markets in Asia and belly freight lift out of Europe, once their economy improves.
05-05-2013 | 05:59 PM
#144
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Meanwhile, back at the topic...
If I understand correctly, other than the top widebodies, original DL and former NW pilots can now bid any base and/or aircraft in the new DL system. That makes it much easier to deploy assets where they most make sense.
I know Parker promised the AA pilots seven year fences at the beginning of the merger talks (and I don't know if that even made it into the AA MOU). But if that is the case, it would not be as easy to deploy an A330 to JFK, or a 737-800 to PHL, without incurring the cost of many RON's by the pilots who still have the fenced rights to fly those aircraft.
Of course, any fences that are in place could always disappear in a JCBA. But that will be at least a couple of years hence. It sounds as if Parker and Kirby are itchy to start re-deploying assets right away.
If I understand correctly, other than the top widebodies, original DL and former NW pilots can now bid any base and/or aircraft in the new DL system. That makes it much easier to deploy assets where they most make sense.
I know Parker promised the AA pilots seven year fences at the beginning of the merger talks (and I don't know if that even made it into the AA MOU). But if that is the case, it would not be as easy to deploy an A330 to JFK, or a 737-800 to PHL, without incurring the cost of many RON's by the pilots who still have the fenced rights to fly those aircraft.
Of course, any fences that are in place could always disappear in a JCBA. But that will be at least a couple of years hence. It sounds as if Parker and Kirby are itchy to start re-deploying assets right away.
05-06-2013 | 01:08 PM
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LittleBoyBlew,
Just FYI on what the AA pilots have given to the company since 2003. It is a conservative estimate that our give backs in 2003 were in the neighborhood of $900,000,000 per year. So from 2003 to 2012 we have given about $8.1 Billion in contract give backs alone. Now with this BK contract our claim was in the 3.5 Billion neighborhood. This number does not include our additional $300 million a year in further give backs. So please don't act as though the AA pilots have not suffered at the hands of an inept management team.
The whole profession has suffered too much over the past 2 decades, and we as a group are partly to blame. That is, we did not stand together and fight our common enemies, the corrupt management teams that we work for. Now it is time that we start to come together and fight the common enemy, not ourselves.
Regards,
Justfun.
Just FYI on what the AA pilots have given to the company since 2003. It is a conservative estimate that our give backs in 2003 were in the neighborhood of $900,000,000 per year. So from 2003 to 2012 we have given about $8.1 Billion in contract give backs alone. Now with this BK contract our claim was in the 3.5 Billion neighborhood. This number does not include our additional $300 million a year in further give backs. So please don't act as though the AA pilots have not suffered at the hands of an inept management team.
The whole profession has suffered too much over the past 2 decades, and we as a group are partly to blame. That is, we did not stand together and fight our common enemies, the corrupt management teams that we work for. Now it is time that we start to come together and fight the common enemy, not ourselves.
Regards,
Justfun.
05-06-2013 | 03:20 PM
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From: Bigg Bird!!
LittleBoyBlew,
Just FYI on what the AA pilots have given to the company since 2003. It is a conservative estimate that our give backs in 2003 were in the neighborhood of $900,000,000 per year. So from 2003 to 2012 we have given about $8.1 Billion in contract give ok alone. Now with this BK contract our claim was in the 3.5 Billion neighborhood. This number does not include our additional $300 million a year in further give backs. So please don't act as though the AA pilots have not suffered at the hands of an inept management team.
The whole profession has suffered too much over the past 2 decades, and we as a group are partly to blame. That is, we did not stand together and fight our common enemies, the corrupt management teams that we work for. Now it is time that we start to come together and fight the common enemy, not ourselves.
Regards,
Justfun.
Just FYI on what the AA pilots have given to the company since 2003. It is a conservative estimate that our give backs in 2003 were in the neighborhood of $900,000,000 per year. So from 2003 to 2012 we have given about $8.1 Billion in contract give ok alone. Now with this BK contract our claim was in the 3.5 Billion neighborhood. This number does not include our additional $300 million a year in further give backs. So please don't act as though the AA pilots have not suffered at the hands of an inept management team.
The whole profession has suffered too much over the past 2 decades, and we as a group are partly to blame. That is, we did not stand together and fight our common enemies, the corrupt management teams that we work for. Now it is time that we start to come together and fight the common enemy, not ourselves.
Regards,
Justfun.
05-06-2013 | 09:59 PM
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Who knows what will happen. I'm just passing along rumors.
05-07-2013 | 04:08 AM
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From: Bigg Bird!!
BA runs a 747 out of PHX every night with a 95% load factor. The word was LGW on the AA/US metal and CDG as well. Parker has talked about PHX as a connecting hub for west feed on international routes. LAX is a different market and DFW has full loads. They need more intl feed.
Who knows what will happen. I'm just passing along rumors.
Who knows what will happen. I'm just passing along rumors.
Any growth, regardless of base placement, will be good for the new AA. As long as its sustainable.
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