Fleet basing post merger
05-02-2013 | 06:51 PM
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05-02-2013 | 07:14 PM
#102
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Instead of talking about each other, lets get back to talking about fleet basing after the merger.
I know it's good to take off into the wind, but right now you guys are p*ssing into it!
I know it's good to take off into the wind, but right now you guys are p*ssing into it!
05-02-2013 | 08:05 PM
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Ahh, let's review this without emotion. The "drooling" comment wasn't directed at ALL U East pilots, but if you review the thread SOME do advocate no fences more than gleefully, which given the situation is difficult to ignore. Addmittedly, I occasionally forget just how hypersensitive Airlinii Pilotus can be, so perhaps I should have used a different description, but I didn't paint with a broad brush. The "worth squat" (actually, it was "jack squat") comment was a reply to an officially recognized tool (as of yesterday) who claims I've neither earned my job, nor contributed to the health of my parent corporation or for that matter to AA and am essentially a carpet-bagger and has nothing to offer but ever increasing levels of personal attack.
"Arrogance" is a perception that is often in error and especially on the internet, hypersensitivity can alter perception. Disagreement is one thing, personal attack the other. I've never "condensed" U pilots and in the arrogance department, you've excelled with superiority on this forum, so it surprises me it's you who claims this insult.
The Nic came before the merger announcement, it's just the union you support wants to convince others it doesn't exist as if that is somehow reality. USAPA was formed for ONLY ONE REASON and that was to subvert the binding arbitration process that was agreed to, but whose outcome wasn't favorable to the majority and that is the ONLY reason the Nic doesn't yet exist as the sole U seniority list. In effect, you want me to agree to what is realy a strawman argument. You're arguing a position that is a magic act demanding I look stage left, so as not to notice the actual trick occuring on stage right.
I'm sorry, but I was never much of a fan of magicians.
"Arrogance" is a perception that is often in error and especially on the internet, hypersensitivity can alter perception. Disagreement is one thing, personal attack the other. I've never "condensed" U pilots and in the arrogance department, you've excelled with superiority on this forum, so it surprises me it's you who claims this insult.
The Nic came before the merger announcement, it's just the union you support wants to convince others it doesn't exist as if that is somehow reality. USAPA was formed for ONLY ONE REASON and that was to subvert the binding arbitration process that was agreed to, but whose outcome wasn't favorable to the majority and that is the ONLY reason the Nic doesn't yet exist as the sole U seniority list. In effect, you want me to agree to what is realy a strawman argument. You're arguing a position that is a magic act demanding I look stage left, so as not to notice the actual trick occuring on stage right.
I'm sorry, but I was never much of a fan of magicians.
I will take your word that you didn't aim it all US pilots, and yes some of the fence comments could be construed as coveting AA planes. This is my 4th meger and in the US/PI I heard how US saved PI-WRONG. How great PIT was while massive numbers were moving south. We know all about the US/AWA merger, so let's just say I think they were wrong again. Luckily I haven't heard them bring up any of your accidents like they did ours.
We could probably have similar views on fences. After Nicolau's screwed up widebody non-protection I can see why AA pilots would be concerned. I just think they shouldn't be a blanket approach, but one that evens out the SLI and offers protections to both sides. I'd like to see the flying and aircraft we brought protected too.
I disagree with US posters about your time with Eagle. You did contribute to the company and had a contract that allowed you to flow through. Not an issue for me. I flew a 65 seat jet for US Air, the first regional jets.
I have returned fire on this board many times, I concede that, but as far as I can remember never drawn first blood. According to the big guy upstairs-no excuse and admit I can be thin skinned.
The Nic is a complex issue that many do not really understand. It was the straw that broke the camels back with ALPA. The thing is, it's actions are kind are secondary to the TA. That's what a lot of people don't get. Picture a flowchart. The first box says "Get single certificate, get SLI and negotiate a JCBA." The line runs out to the next box that says "Do you have a single certificate, SLI and JCBA?" The Yes line runs to a box that says "Finished" and the No line runs back to box one. That's the loop when have been stuck in, no matter what the reason. It seems simple, honor your agreement, but the first agreement was with the TA and separate ops until a JCBA.
With the set of circumstances we were under, with the leadership we had, I saw no resolution of the Nic problem until many more years passed and the SCOTUS ruled. UNLESS outside events overtook us. They did. You guys filed for CHP 11 and gave Parker the merger he wanted, leading to a forced solution.
What that solution will be, I have no idea. Both sides recommended the MOU thinking it would seal their case. I think it will come down to who has the better lawyer.
This merger is off to a better start than the two contentious ones I've been through. I have heard very few negative comments between the groups so far. I hope it can stay that way because we are still fighting battles from the US/PI merger and I can assure you that those hard feelings cost the pilot group.
The Nic IS best left out of this as a court will settle it.
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05-02-2013 | 08:08 PM
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You start a war and expect it to be pretty? After this merger you won't be able to find an east pilot that admits being an eastie.
05-02-2013 | 08:19 PM
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05-02-2013 | 08:19 PM
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Now, let's move it back to the other threads. Okay?
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05-02-2013 | 08:35 PM
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The Nic is a complex issue that many do not really understand. It was the straw that broke the camels back with ALPA. The thing is, it's actions are kind are secondary to the TA. That's what a lot of people don't get. Picture a flowchart. The first box says "Get single certificate, get SLI and negotiate a JCBA." The line runs out to the next box that says "Do you have a single certificate, SLI and JCBA?" The Yes line runs to a box that says "Finished" and the No line runs back to box one. That's the loop when have been stuck in, no matter what the reason. It seems simple, honor your agreement, but the first agreement was with the TA and separate ops until a JCBA.
05-02-2013 | 08:45 PM
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I will post my reply to this on the AOL update page as guys are sick of seeing it everywhere, and that one is easy to ignore. Let's get back to the topic here. Deal?
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