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Old 05-01-2013 | 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by flyinawa
Well, Eaglefly....I see you've met my drunk uncle. Whew, he is something when he's had a few, isn't he? You should see him at Christmas! Don't let his ranting influence your opinion of the intertwining of our families. A few frustrations await. A lot of good things lay ahead. We'll see you on the line.
No worries, mate. He knows nothing of my past, my abilities (or flaws) or potential. I think he simply has nowhere of credibility to go, so apparently this is all that's left. Resorting to not only baseless personal attack, but irrelevant to the discussion at that, simply proves my assertions about his character. Next he'll claim my mother wears Army boots as if that would also be somehow relevent.
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Old 05-01-2013 | 02:09 PM
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That reminds me, the TOTD thread hasn't been updated in a while. Thanks to Blew for stepping up to the plate!
Thank you for the nomination. I am truly humbled.
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Old 05-01-2013 | 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
Wouldn't the Nic potentially rearrange the merged U list differently than without it ? The arrangment of U pilots on the final list determines its weight (top heavy/bottom heavy) due to pervious relative seniority and age, BOTH of which affect retirements and advancement schedules, BOTH of which could improve or reduce a possible windfall for those junior on the West. The end result might be a shorter or longer fence for widebodies (career expectation) and possibly even narrowbody captain ratios. For the record, with my juniority, fences won't do much for me, so I have no personal agenda. By the time they fell, I'd still not likely be senior enough for a group 2 captains slot and widebody F/O slots in the most junior domiciles normally aren't fenced anyway. Many of the more senior long-time FO's at AA who've been watching the parade go by for upwards of 15 years would be the likely protectee's.
I guess it's possible but I doubt it. Relative equipment and status seems to see the preferred method. Dal was a younger workforce than NWA yet the arbitrator didn't take that into account that I know of.
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Old 05-02-2013 | 07:25 AM
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I guess it's possible but I doubt it. Relative equipment and status seems to see the preferred method. Dal was a younger workforce than NWA yet the arbitrator didn't take that into account that I know of.
Eaglefly is right on this. Starting with the Nic would put large numbers of relatively young guys at higher relative positions, slowing the progression of those AA slotted below them vs. starting with DOH or a 3 way.
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Old 05-02-2013 | 07:32 AM
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IMO, living up to your end of any "bargains" occurred many years ago.......Well, actually failed to occur. Your group chose the path of BINDING arbitration and then subverted the outcome when it wasn't to your satisfaction. Everything since than has been foam on the beer.

Your last sentence hits the spot though and is the crux of my point on this issue. If the Nic is used and IMO, is far and away the most likely outcome of your fracas, then fences become more likely. That's all I've said, but obviously disagreement on this subject, like so many others usually results in attack from die-hard USAPAites. To be equally frank, my assumption of you as a person is also made by your arguments here and not so much your beliefs (which you're entitled to), but your penchant for spring boarding to personal attack when in disagreement.



That speaks louder than anything.
My problem with you is your arrogant and condensing attitude towards US pilots, not your opinion on fences. YOU made it personal with "drooling " and "worth squat ". Look in the mirror.

On the Nic you ignore what came first, the TA. You won't answer my question. If this merger gave you a lousy outcome on the SLI,and the company was offering a lousy contract that would implement it, would you vote yes for it when you didn't have to? That's what we faced, no matter what method we used.
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Old 05-02-2013 | 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by R57 relay
My problem with you is your arrogant and condensing attitude towards US pilots, not your opinion on fences. YOU made it personal with "drooling " and "worth squat ". Look in the mirror.
Ahh, let's review this without emotion. The "drooling" comment wasn't directed at ALL U East pilots, but if you review the thread SOME do advocate no fences more than gleefully, which given the situation is difficult to ignore. Addmittedly, I occasionally forget just how hypersensitive Airlinii Pilotus can be, so perhaps I should have used a different description, but I didn't paint with a broad brush. The "worth squat" (actually, it was "jack squat") comment was a reply to an officially recognized tool (as of yesterday) who claims I've neither earned my job, nor contributed to the health of my parent corporation or for that matter to AA and am essentially a carpet-bagger and has nothing to offer but ever increasing levels of personal attack.

"Arrogance" is a perception that is often in error and especially on the internet, hypersensitivity can alter perception. Disagreement is one thing, personal attack the other. I've never "condensed" U pilots and in the arrogance department, you've excelled with superiority on this forum, so it surprises me it's you who claims this insult.

Originally Posted by R57 Relay
On the Nic you ignore what came first, the TA. You won't answer my question. If this merger gave you a lousy outcome on the SLI,and the company was offering a lousy contract that would implement it, would you vote yes for it when you didn't have to? That's what we faced, no matter what method we used.
The Nic came before the merger announcement, it's just the union you support wants to convince others it doesn't exist as if that is somehow reality. USAPA was formed for ONLY ONE REASON and that was to subvert the binding arbitration process that was agreed to, but whose outcome wasn't favorable to the majority and that is the ONLY reason the Nic doesn't yet exist as the sole U seniority list. In effect, you want me to agree to what is realy a strawman argument. You're arguing a position that is a magic act demanding I look stage left, so as not to notice the actual trick occuring on stage right.

I'm sorry, but I was never much of a fan of magicians.
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Old 05-02-2013 | 09:36 AM
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Wow, the two heavyweight are finally going at it (eaglefly, R57 Relay). This could get interesting.
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Old 05-02-2013 | 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by MayDaze
Wow, the two heavyweight are finally going at it (eaglefly, R57 Relay). This could get interesting.
LOL !!!

I have no desire to spar with anyone. Never thought of myself as a "heavyweight" either, but thanks for the sentiment. R57's a pretty smart guy (more informed then me on many subjects), so depending on the subject, I doubt you'd get a clear victor oberall. My knowledge of USAPA just spins my moral compass too wildly to believe in their course. At any rate, it shouldn't be too long before a definitive resolution to this conundrum occurs, but then we'll have to invent a new conflict to keep the fireworks going.

Perhaps an announcement of the acquisition of Jet Blue BEFORE the AA/U SLI is arbitrated. Wouldn't THAT be a hoot ?
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Old 05-02-2013 | 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly



The Nic came before the merger announcement, it's just the union you support wants to convince others it doesn't exist as if that is somehow reality. USAPA was formed for ONLY ONE REASON and that was to subvert the binding arbitration process that was agreed to, but whose outcome wasn't favorable to the majority and that is the ONLY reason the Nic doesn't yet exist as the sole U seniority list. In effect, you want me to agree to what is realy a strawman argument. You're arguing a position that is a magic act demanding I look stage left, so as not to notice the actual trick occuring on stage right.

I'm sorry, but I was never much of a fan of magicians.
So tell US mighty eaglefly... In the grand scheme of things. Once OUR AA/US SL is arbitrated and award announced, would you accept a number junior to a US new hire currently in our last new hire class?? Now be truthful to yourself and all that lurk here..You have obviously picked sides in OUR little tug of war. Something tells me you may have an acquaintance on the west list...Or perhaps your alliance to Mr. Nicolau and/or ALPO is stronger than your logic. After all, he too handed you a golden ticket..
Yours truly TOOL..
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Old 05-02-2013 | 12:57 PM
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Do you two realize you are wasting our time... if you want to argue do it via private message. Otherwise we all just have to scroll down through the immaturity.

This thread is supposed to be about fleet basing post merger, not two guy's egos.
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