I think group 2 it's Mia/ord/NYC for AA and phl for us. I look at what happen at dal/nwa as a likely scenario. 777/330 maybe even 787/350 equipment fences for 5-7 years but no base fences. Free for all on the other groups.

 

Baloney. Anyone of basic intuitive intelligence can read your posts (plural) on that and can clearly see something else. Nice try, though.

 

IMO, living up to your end of any "bargains" occurred many years ago.......Well, actually failed to occur. Your group chose the path of BINDING arbitration and then subverted the outcome when it wasn't to your satisfaction. Everything since than has been foam on the beer.

Your last sentence hits the spot though and is the crux of my point on this issue. If the Nic is used and IMO, is far and away the most likely outcome of your fracas, then fences become more likely. That's all I've said, but obviously disagreement on this subject, like so many others usually results in attack from die-hard USAPAites. To be equally frank, my assumption of you as a person is also made by your arguments here and not so much your beliefs (which you're entitled to), but your penchant for spring boarding to personal attack when in disagreement.

That speaks louder than anything.

 

For AA, I'd say either LGA S80 (a soon to be melting status) and MIA 737. As far as fence specifics, that's hard to gauge. I'll bet if one looked at the UAL/CAL SLI and fence issues and compared them to DAL/NWA there would be notable differences. Each merger brings different components and the AA/U one would too. I'm hesitant to say what happened at X or Y would happen here.

Again, what happens with the NIC will impact the fence issue as arbitration under M-B is supposed to prevent windfalls and be "fair and equitable", which is a subjective standard.

 

I don't follow your logic here. Why would the nic. or non nic. for us side have any effect on fences with us/aa? Us brings what it brings (ac, orders, etc.) regardless of how it's pilots are arranged.

P.S. I fully expect and support fences on the widebody's so folks can take advantage of what they brought to the merge.

 

....And this affects YOU how??

 

Yeah they can see that you obviously couldn't get hired at a major. 20 years at AE!!..You flowed into AA by virtue of Flowthru agreement. A GOLDEN carrot, byproduct of a 16 year Eagle contract. And now, after a mere 3-4 years at AA, you claim to be the keeper of all AA knowledge...You are nothing more than a PHONY..Anyone who's read your posts will agree..

 

Well, Eaglefly....I see you've met my drunk uncle. Whew, he is something when he's had a few, isn't he? You should see him at Christmas! Don't let his ranting influence your opinion of the intertwining of our families. A few frustrations await. A lot of good things lay ahead. We'll see you on the line.

 

That reminds me, the TOTD thread hasn't been updated in a while. Thanks to Blew for stepping up to the plate!

 

Wouldn't the Nic potentially rearrange the merged U list differently than without it ? The arrangment of U pilots on the final list determines its weight (top heavy/bottom heavy) due to pervious relative seniority and age, BOTH of which affect retirements and advancement schedules, BOTH of which could improve or reduce a possible windfall for those junior on the West. The end result might be a shorter or longer fence for widebodies (career expectation) and possibly even narrowbody captain ratios. For the record, with my juniority, fences won't do much for me, so I have no personal agenda. By the time they fell, I'd still not likely be senior enough for a group 2 captains slot and widebody F/O slots in the most junior domiciles normally aren't fenced anyway. Many of the more senior long-time FO's at AA who've been watching the parade go by for upwards of 15 years would be the likely protectee's.