AA reserve
07-03-2013, 10:47 AM
#11
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Originally Posted by 7576FO
Update AA reserve:
I have flown every day since June 22. One more time I am a 777 FO. This is very very very very unusual. Yesterday on day 11 in Buenos Aires I saw they had me flying tonight after my arrival this morning to Brazil. I Skyped CS from EZE and very politely let her know i'd flown 3 trips in a row with no days offf and that I fully expect to fly a 4th trip on the 4th of July for 16 days in a row with no scheduled day off. She told me it was AA policy. I told her i'd be fatiqued. She asked don't you want to wait until tomorrow? I said I'm trying to give you plenty of time to get a FO from DFW or JFK. There were 3 trips on the 4th that aren't too bad, so I said i'd be rested at 7am on the 4th.
Right now i'm waiting, they will assign me EZE at 8:30pm tomrorow night flying me into my day off for 16 days, no days off. Your 24 in 7 is in EZE and was in GRU and was in EZE on the 23rd of June.
This is UNHEARD of 4 trips in a row, 16 days flying touching every day with a duty period (actual flying ) and my reward is ?
4 days off. Then back on reserve for 5 days then 5 days off.
Attn: USAir pilots You do not want the AA reserve system!
Stand by for Forever FO to say he has flown 1 trip in the last 30 days out of DFW.
I have flown every day since June 22. One more time I am a 777 FO. This is very very very very unusual. Yesterday on day 11 in Buenos Aires I saw they had me flying tonight after my arrival this morning to Brazil. I Skyped CS from EZE and very politely let her know i'd flown 3 trips in a row with no days offf and that I fully expect to fly a 4th trip on the 4th of July for 16 days in a row with no scheduled day off. She told me it was AA policy. I told her i'd be fatiqued. She asked don't you want to wait until tomorrow? I said I'm trying to give you plenty of time to get a FO from DFW or JFK. There were 3 trips on the 4th that aren't too bad, so I said i'd be rested at 7am on the 4th.
Right now i'm waiting, they will assign me EZE at 8:30pm tomrorow night flying me into my day off for 16 days, no days off. Your 24 in 7 is in EZE and was in GRU and was in EZE on the 23rd of June.
This is UNHEARD of 4 trips in a row, 16 days flying touching every day with a duty period (actual flying ) and my reward is ?
4 days off. Then back on reserve for 5 days then 5 days off.
Attn: USAir pilots You do not want the AA reserve system!
Stand by for Forever FO to say he has flown 1 trip in the last 30 days out of DFW.
07-03-2013, 02:02 PM
#12
Gets Weekends Off
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You're bidding the end of one month and the beginning of the next month off. Mini vacation every other month. The downside is the out of phase month changeover means you're on call for a long period of days.
I've been in that barrel. It's not fun in the out of phase month but it's a choice that gives the bidder 10-12 day vacations every other month.
The big risk is doing it while junior on reserve. Senior guys on reserve at the start of the month can pass. Junior guys can't. If they're in the out of phase month changeover it can be a rough time.
I've been in that barrel. It's not fun in the out of phase month but it's a choice that gives the bidder 10-12 day vacations every other month.
The big risk is doing it while junior on reserve. Senior guys on reserve at the start of the month can pass. Junior guys can't. If they're in the out of phase month changeover it can be a rough time.
07-04-2013, 04:03 AM
#16
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Originally Posted by Sliceback
You're bidding the end of one month and the beginning of the next month off. Mini vacation every other month. The downside is the out of phase month changeover means you're on call for a long period of days.
I've been in that barrel. It's not fun in the out of phase month but it's a choice that gives the bidder 10-12 day vacations every other month.
The big risk is doing it while junior on reserve. Senior guys on reserve at the start of the month can pass. Junior guys can't. If they're in the out of phase month changeover it can be a rough time.
I've been in that barrel. It's not fun in the out of phase month but it's a choice that gives the bidder 10-12 day vacations every other month.
The big risk is doing it while junior on reserve. Senior guys on reserve at the start of the month can pass. Junior guys can't. If they're in the out of phase month changeover it can be a rough time.
I'm not slamming you but, No i'm not. I'm near the bottom. For the last 1.5 years i've had 2 people below me. So I get the next to very last reserve lines.
I've never until last month had the first 6 days off. I've never had the last 6 days off ever.
Also, Sliceback is JFK based, and there is a difference between bases reserve lines. Traditionally JFK (LGA base) reserve lines some have the first 7 days off and/or the last 7 days off. In MIA you'll only get the first/last 6 days off. When Q'ing the base planners they will tell you that LGA is a commuter base. That is there only reason.
I tend to get reserve lines that have 3 breaks of small days off, instead of the more senior reserve lines that have time off at beginning of month or end of month.
I just find this very interresting that, I come on here and tell people that tonight I begin my 4th trip in a row with no days off, and one guy Sliceback implies I did this to myself? NO WAY!
Another will say "Oh, I only fly one trip a month."
I spoke with the Chief Pilot yesterday, he said "Wow!" but he couldn't get off the phone fast enough.
For those that know, it was the newer MIA chief.
I spoke with a UAL friend yesterday and did confirm, this would never happen at UAL.
So to be clear, I did not do this to myself being on reserve from June 22- July 7 and flying every single day 16 days with no day off. My 24 off's in 7 were in EZE, GRU,EZE,EZE
07-04-2013, 05:11 AM
#17
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I have a very good friend of mine thats on the 777 out of JFK and he is on res as well. Commutes from the west coast too and I have never once heard him state this. I was under the impression and I guess mistake that your res system was better than what we have. I hear our res complain very little and mostly do to just having to be on it but they dont fly all that much.
This is upsetting to say the least.
WD at AWA
This is upsetting to say the least.
WD at AWA
07-04-2013, 06:09 AM
#20
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Posts: 220
Originally Posted by aa73
This crappy reserve system is on its way out. The new reserve system should be industry standard.
Originally Posted by Mephesto
How soon does it take effect?
Originally Posted by The Drizzle
It has to exist first.
Unfortunately, reserve systems at all airlines have been, are now, and forever shall be crappy.
Why?
Because they only apply to a minority of the pilots on the list, most of whom are junior.
In other words, because "it doesn't affect me", most pilots don't even look at the reserve section of a proposed TA. (In fact, most pilots only look at "Section 3: Compensation", which is how managements have been pulling the wool over pilots' eyes in contracts for decades now.)
A crappy reserve system is the first thing a negotiating committee can "throw in" to a contract to sweeten the deal for management (and usually without getting anything in return), just as a car salesman will offer to "throw in" the floor mats for no charge if you'll just buy that car today. Not only does it not affect the members of the negotiating committee (who are either senior enough to avoid reserve, or stay home on FPL and never fly), but they know that a majority of pilots won't even read the section.
And although the most junior pilots, especially new-hires, have no choice but to be on reserve, there are always enough pilots with "captain-itis" who will subject themselves to it voluntarily.
In three decades in this business, I have yet to see a captain position go unbid, and have to be junior-manned by a new-hire.
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