Usapa objects to POR
08-11-2013, 05:18 PM
#131
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Originally Posted by YourFnout
As written, the plan fails to demonstrate economic feasibility, as it lacks a viable business plan for American Eagle, a core part of the new airline’s economic future.
Its the least that could be done after scoping us out of q400's. Meanwhile, you've relaxed scope to the point where Republic is now a major airline . . . I say go ahead and eat your young if you want; just don't keep giving birth to more abominations along the way.
Sorry about the tangent folks, but I think USAPA needs to realize what a slap in the face this is to the small, hard-working pilot group at Piedmont. We do more with less day in and day out, and can't even get our big brothers to acknowledge we exist. Very frustrating.
08-12-2013, 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by FixTheMess
LOL. US Airways hasn't had a viable business plan for Piedmont for over a decade. I'm continually amazed at how many US Airways pilots have no idea who Piedmont is. If ya'all are going to use wholly-owned carriers as bargaining chips, how about you throw a dying Piedmont a bone, and toss us in the mix too?
Its the least that could be done after scoping us out of q400's. Meanwhile, you've relaxed scope to the point where Republic is now a major airline . . . I say go ahead and eat your young if you want; just don't keep giving birth to more abominations along the way.
Sorry about the tangent folks, but I think USAPA needs to realize what a slap in the face this is to the small, hard-working pilot group at Piedmont. We do more with less day in and day out, and can't even get our big brothers to acknowledge we exist. Very frustrating.
Its the least that could be done after scoping us out of q400's. Meanwhile, you've relaxed scope to the point where Republic is now a major airline . . . I say go ahead and eat your young if you want; just don't keep giving birth to more abominations along the way.
Sorry about the tangent folks, but I think USAPA needs to realize what a slap in the face this is to the small, hard-working pilot group at Piedmont. We do more with less day in and day out, and can't even get our big brothers to acknowledge we exist. Very frustrating.
Who cares if you get acknowledged by mainline pilots. You're outsourced labor flying their passengers. The best thing for mainline pilots would be for all of you to be out of a job. Even if they did acknowledge you, that doesn't put money in the bank, food on the table, or make your schedules easier.
You need acknowledgement from your management and US Airways management.
08-12-2013, 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by lolwut
You're looking for love in all the wrong places.
Who cares if you get acknowledged by mainline pilots. You're outsourced labor flying their passengers. The best thing for mainline pilots would be for all of you to be out of a job. Even if they did acknowledge you, that doesn't put money in the bank, food on the table, or make your schedules easier.
You need acknowledgement from your management and US Airways management.
Who cares if you get acknowledged by mainline pilots. You're outsourced labor flying their passengers. The best thing for mainline pilots would be for all of you to be out of a job. Even if they did acknowledge you, that doesn't put money in the bank, food on the table, or make your schedules easier.
You need acknowledgement from your management and US Airways management.
08-12-2013, 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by BSOuthisplace
Yea, PDT takes mainline flying. CLT-HHH, PHL-ABE , HVN. I'm sure those routes would do real well with a 190 or AB. LOL WUT?! Moron.
A Dash 8 flown by mainline pilots would be a much better option.
There was a time when Martins, Convairs, and DC-3s and plenty of other planes much smaller than Dash 8s were flown by mainline. To cities just as small or smaller than HHH, ABE, and HVN. Unfortunately we no longer live in that reality. But that doesn't mean we can't recognize what has been lost to our profession.
But hey, you'd rather just get a high five the next time you pass a mainline pilot in the terminal or a free hug with every Airbus jumpseat ride, right? That'd make you feel better, like you're part of the team?
08-12-2013, 12:23 PM
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I might have put it a little bit more delicately, but lolwut has a point. USAPA and the east pilots don't represent the PDT pilots. Just like you don't represent us. I'd like for things to be different, and I wish the company had treated PDT better, but it is kind of out of our hands.
PDT was one of the first to receive routes that were formerly mainline and I don't remember any protests. GNV, TLH, OAJ, FAY, AVL and a laundry list of others. In the early '90s we had a provision in our contract that routes couldn't be farmed out if we had pilots on furlough, but PDT took over several. Grieved it and lost.
PDT was one of the first to receive routes that were formerly mainline and I don't remember any protests. GNV, TLH, OAJ, FAY, AVL and a laundry list of others. In the early '90s we had a provision in our contract that routes couldn't be farmed out if we had pilots on furlough, but PDT took over several. Grieved it and lost.
08-12-2013, 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by R57 relay
I might have put it a little bit more delicately, but lolwut has a point. USAPA and the east pilots don't represent the PDT pilots. Just like you don't represent us. I'd like for things to be different, and I wish the company had treated PDT better, but it is kind of out of our hands.
PDT was one of the first to receive routes that were formerly mainline and I don't remember any protests. GNV, TLH, OAJ, FAY, AVL and a laundry list of others. In the early '90s we had a provision in our contract that routes couldn't be farmed out if we had pilots on furlough, but PDT took over several. Grieved it and lost.
PDT was one of the first to receive routes that were formerly mainline and I don't remember any protests. GNV, TLH, OAJ, FAY, AVL and a laundry list of others. In the early '90s we had a provision in our contract that routes couldn't be farmed out if we had pilots on furlough, but PDT took over several. Grieved it and lost.
08-12-2013, 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by BSOuthisplace
Those routes were mainline back when gas was cheap and you could turn a profit on a half empty airplane. I'm all for more mainline flights, maybe you guys should negotiate a 37 and 50 seat turboprop rate. I'm sure that suggestion would get a laugh with most mainline NCs these days.
Things have changed, but you shouldn't expect USAPA to negotiate for you any more than our flight attendants or mechanics should. It's just the way it is.
Here's an idea. Dump ALPA and have USAPA represent you. They won't have anyone to represent soon, so that might make them more sympathetic.
BTW, mainline returns to CLT-GSO next month.
08-12-2013, 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by R57 relay
I might have put it a little bit more delicately, but lolwut has a point. USAPA and the east pilots don't represent the PDT pilots. Just like you don't represent us. I'd like for things to be different, and I wish the company had treated PDT better, but it is kind of out of our hands.
PDT was one of the first to receive routes that were formerly mainline and I don't remember any protests. GNV, TLH, OAJ, FAY, AVL and a laundry list of others. In the early '90s we had a provision in our contract that routes couldn't be farmed out if we had pilots on furlough, but PDT took over several. Grieved it and lost.
PDT was one of the first to receive routes that were formerly mainline and I don't remember any protests. GNV, TLH, OAJ, FAY, AVL and a laundry list of others. In the early '90s we had a provision in our contract that routes couldn't be farmed out if we had pilots on furlough, but PDT took over several. Grieved it and lost.
US Airways pilots don't negotiate for Piedmont pilots, but Piedmont pilots don't negotiate the scope in the US Airways pilot contract either.
08-12-2013, 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Irishish
37 seat turboprops flying into those cities isn't the problem, 70+ seat jets flying into those cities is.
US Airways pilots don't negotiate for Piedmont pilots, but Piedmont pilots don't negotiate the scope in the US Airways pilot contract either.
US Airways pilots don't negotiate for Piedmont pilots, but Piedmont pilots don't negotiate the scope in the US Airways pilot contract either.
Who else am I to protect with my CBA? Flight attendants? Mechanics? Agents?
I've been around long enough to remember no flow down.
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