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Old 08-05-2013, 09:01 PM
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Old 08-06-2013, 04:00 AM
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No relay I listen but I also know that you feel entitled to recoup your career losses at the expense of another group of pilots. Then you try and justify the east actions based upon what they lost at the hands of management and an unchecked MEC. What makes you feel that either action is correct and or justifiable?

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Braniff and AWA in '87. I get it now. It is YOU that wants to make up for their failed career on the backs of east pilots. And probably carrying a grudge that you couldn't get on with PI like a lot of great BN guys.

The Nicolau award greatly accelerates the west's career progression at the EXPENSE of the east. That is issue, not that we "didn't get our way."

BTW did you know Bobby Head at BN? Great guy, just passed.
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"Without explanation or notice, USAPA broke from its usual standard practice and
tracked the MOU ratification vote by domicile—a procedure that distinguishes West Pilot
votes. Had USAPA disclosed that it would do so prior to the vote, and had it disclosed
that it would use the results of the vote in an effort to deny class certification, those
results would surely have been quite different
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What a steaming pile of horse XXXX. It was AOL's scheme from the beginning to have the west pilots vote for the MOU(even with the negative changes it makes to the west contract) in order to make the Addington ripe, then turn around and file suit claiming that it was illegal. Then they plan on APA taking over and not continuing the inevitable appeal by USAPA should Judge Silver rule against them. That was the plan communicated to me by a west pilot a long time ago.

YOU KNOW that cacti. I dare you to deny it.

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Old 08-06-2013, 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by R57 relay View Post
Braniff and AWA in '87. I get it now. It is YOU that wants to make up for their failed career on the backs of east pilots. And probably carrying a grudge that you couldn't get on with PI like a lot of great BN guys.

The Nicolau award greatly accelerates the west's career progression at the EXPENSE of the east. That is issue, not that we "didn't get our way."

BTW did you know Bobby Head at BN? Great guy, just passed.
Again with the bull. The Nic. did not accelerate west progression as a matter of fact it slowed greatly for the senior west pilots. What the Nic didn't do is hand the east every upgrade so the east stole them and continues to do so. I know you have the gall to claim its your contractual "right" to volunteer to undercut the west to capture the movement but if that isn't a scab move I don't know what is.
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Old 08-06-2013, 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by R57 relay View Post
"Without explanation or notice, USAPA broke from its usual standard practice and
tracked the MOU ratification vote by domicile—a procedure that distinguishes West Pilot
votes. Had USAPA disclosed that it would do so prior to the vote, and had it disclosed
that it would use the results of the vote in an effort to deny class certification, those
results would surely have been quite different
."

What a steaming pile of horse XXXX. It was AOL's scheme from the beginning to have the west pilots vote for the MOU(even with the negative changes it makes to the west contract) in order to make the Addington ripe, then turn around and file suit claiming that it was illegal. Then they plan on APA taking over and not continuing the inevitable appeal by USAPA should Judge Silver rule against them. That was the plan communicated to me by a west pilot a long time ago.

YOU KNOW that cacti. I dare you to deny it.
I deny it fully, I posted this document so you can see where the west is coming from. Simple really, usapa created the mou which was "neutral" on seniority only to turn around and say it wasn't. It's in writing btw and Silver told you that had she known that were usapa's intentions the DJ would have had a different outcome. But don't worry, I'm sure the apa will carry on your jihad for a a doh list, lol.
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I deny it fully, .
Then you have been duped by AOL. One of the inner circle members laid it out for me exactly. Guess I need to call USAPA legal and tell them.
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Old 08-06-2013, 08:29 AM
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Then you have been duped by AOL. One of the inner circle members laid it out for me exactly. Guess I need to call USAPA legal and tell them.
Well your legal team has already filed my posts from this forum in court as "proof" before so go for it.
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Old 08-06-2013, 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by R57 relay View Post
Braniff and AWA in '87. I get it now. It is YOU that wants to make up for their failed career on the backs of east pilots. And probably carrying a grudge that you couldn't get on with PI like a lot of great BN guys.

The Nicolau award greatly accelerates the west's career progression at the EXPENSE of the east. That is issue, not that we "didn't get our way."

BTW did you know Bobby Head at BN? Great guy, just passed.
No it doesn't Relay as I've already pointed out to you, the award was ratio based. Now if were a staple job or DOH which would have been a staple job then you would have a valid argument. The entire system was designed to have minimal impact on people's careers and their expectation within that career. I have proven to you over and over that DOH elevates a guy on furlough at the time of the merger to mid level line holding captain. Now does this happen with the bottom west first officer? NO IT DOES NOT!!

Never ever applied to PI sorry. Knew of Bobby and if its who I think it is he had a brother named Buddy that was also a pilot.

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No it doesn't Relay as I've already pointed out to you, the award was ratio based.
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I've shown you, time and time again with real data, that you are wrong.
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Old 08-06-2013, 11:34 AM
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I've shown you, time and time again with real data, that you are wrong.
You haven't shown jack. Like a typical east hole you wouldn't know the truth if it hit you upside the head. Btw I see Clearly( usapa ex president) is ready to sue your fake union, why don't you post his demand letter here so all can continue to witness the biggest scum pilot group in the industry in all their glory?
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