mainlineAF

Exactly. The amount of premium they have and the flexibility they have with it is why their upgrades are so junior. They don't have to upgrade to make a ton of money.

But many AA guys are under the impression their upgrades go so junior because it's NYC, they have to cover 3 airports, and the trips suck. Tell me again how that's any different from our 73/airbus operation in NYC?

Sliceback

You're saying a 4:12 minimum CD day is better then a 5:10 average day? We'd lose more pay switching to that.

Training doesn't start until the afternoon of day one to allow deadhead to training in the am.

Recovery obligation mirrors DL and UA, but worse in smaller details for sequence protection. Did Skywest have sequence protection?

Floated vacation days can be used in lieu of vacations you don't like. They can be used to drop trips (low probability unless they're decent trips and another pilot grabs it), go low and use floated days to make up the $$$, or cashed out at the end of the year. Are you saying Skywest would let you defer a January vacation until the summer? Technically we can do that at AA with floated vacations but in reality it's not going to happen.

Reserves can work for extra pay/premium pay.

You'd trade to get airport standby back? Only UA has that and my buddy says they hate it.

No F time???

This is the better contract we should aspire to???

Sliceback

That's what DL guys say when asked about the quick upgrades - "but it doesn't bother me because I live here." And they particularly knock the MD-88 flying.

mainlineAF

My point is at AA we have the same exact situation on the 73/bus in NYC and the upgrades are at 60% seniority vice 95% at DL.

They don't withhold trips for IOE. Their OT pays 200% and it can drop another trip with pay. That's where they make their money.

viper548

Skywest can float vacation from year to year if you want.

Yes, I think 4:12 calendar day is better than 5:10 average. Typical 3 day slash trip with us now-5:30 day 1, 0 day 2, 5:00 day 3. 10:30 for a 3 day. With 4:12 CD- Day 1 5:30, day 2 4:12, day 3 5:00. 14:42 for the same trip.
Skywest had sequence protection. No requirement to check schedule after block in for reserves.
Reserves could pick up open time on days off whenever they wanted, not just at company discretion. It was much easier for reserves to get more than guarantee.

The point is if a regional has these things we should be able to have them too.
I'm more interested in hearing about things the AA owned regionals have that we don't.
We need to focus more on work rules, not just pay rates in our next contract.

mainlineAF

I don't think slice understands the diff between min calendar day and average calendar day.

PRS Guitars

While I agree that min calendar day is a MUST on the next contract, 4:12 is too low. I'd like to see 5:15.

viper548

Yeah, we need what Delta and United have. ALL sections of the contract, not just pay scale.

mainlineAF

DL has average, not minimum, calendar day. Big difference. I believe UA has the same.

I think SWA has min calendar day, not sure.

And we don't need just need what DL and UA have. That's insulting to them. We need to pattern bargain off them and raise the bar for once.

Al Czervik

Slice- what's up with us hiring 500 now and not 750 for 2017?