Judge Silver rules
01-10-2014, 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by R57 relay
I guess that is a yes. It certainly does mention east and west. It says that the seniority listS currently in effect(that would be the east and west lists) will not be changed except under a MB process. It then says that all other contracts are null and void. Cactuspilot.com will have the Silver ruling, go read it. She mentions in it that the previous TA could be modified, and we did.
It's my reading and the testimony in court that USAPA will present two lists, an east list and a west list. Then argue how the 3 should be combined.
It's my reading and the testimony in court that USAPA will present two lists, an east list and a west list. Then argue how the 3 should be combined.
01-10-2014, 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
I suppose I must be remembering other areas where it ceases to differentiate between the east and west. That's just going to be an absolute mess bringing only USAPA to present the 2 usair lists in the SLI hearings.
We were in a quagmire. With the MOU we agreed to come out and let it go to MB.
Also, there are lots of places where it talks about east and west. Block hour requirements come to mind.
01-10-2014, 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by R57 relay
Why? It leaves the possibility of negotiated settlement, however small, while having the west would have sealed arbitration and had us fighting each other while the APA focused on the future.
We were in a quagmire. With the MOU we agreed to come out and let it go to MB.
Also, there are lots of places where it talks about east and west. Block hour requirements come to mind.
We were in a quagmire. With the MOU we agreed to come out and let it go to MB.
Also, there are lots of places where it talks about east and west. Block hour requirements come to mind.
True on the block hour requirements.
01-10-2014, 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
While not zero, the chances of a negotiated settlement would be well below 1%. I'll bet you whatever money you want to bet that it goes to arbitration.
True on the block hour requirements.
True on the block hour requirements.
01-10-2014, 08:57 PM
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Btw here is the ruling for those that want to read it:
http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/West...R_DJ/Order.pdf
http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/West...R_DJ/Order.pdf
01-11-2014, 02:36 AM
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So can we close all the east west threads now?!?!?!
If anyone starts to argue about the NIC. They get instant banned for 12 months???? Please??
Of course right after cacti boss. Apologies for calling us all scabs and whatever other metaphors he used.
I mean if the judge ruled.....it's over right???
If anyone starts to argue about the NIC. They get instant banned for 12 months???? Please??
Of course right after cacti boss. Apologies for calling us all scabs and whatever other metaphors he used.
I mean if the judge ruled.....it's over right???
01-11-2014, 04:30 AM
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The judge ruled but she made it clear USAPA disgusted her. I think most in our profession are also disgusted with USAPA and their dishonorable behavior. An honorable person abides by their agreement. Although the East pilots are not scabs, they are a new form of pond scum in this profession that deserve our disdain.
01-11-2014, 04:44 AM
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+10000!!!!!!
Originally Posted by moose
the judge ruled but she made it clear usapa disgusted her. I think most in our profession are also disgusted with usapa and their dishonorable behavior. An honorable person abides by their agreement. Although the east pilots are not scabs, they are a new form of pond scum in this profession that deserve our disdain.
01-11-2014, 04:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Moose
The judge ruled but she made it clear USAPA disgusted her. I think most in our profession are also disgusted with USAPA and their dishonorable behavior. An honorable person abides by their agreement. Although the East pilots are not scabs, they are a new form of pond scum in this profession that deserve our disdain.
So your whole premise is that an honorable person abides by his/her agreements, right? Well, the first agreement was the transition agreement. It prohibited the use of the Nicolau award without a JCBA. We couldn't get to a JCBA with the Nicolau award, so we were in a quagmire, a catch 22. Along comes the merger and a new set of issues. We ALL agreed to amend the TA, doing away with the Nic and USAPA's DOH scheme.
What's is your position and background in this fight?
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