LittleBoyBlew

I see FANTACY plays a big role in your personality traits. Tell me fly, do you hear voices in your head? Who do you hate mom or dad? When you look at a flight release, what do you see ??
Its pretty obvious how the flow thru was your one and ONLY ticket to the majors.. By the way, how is Mr. Nicolau these days?...

ackattacker

Not going to try to predict where this goes, but I have a feeling that the single carrier petition faces an uphill battle so long as the seniority issue is such a big unknown.

Delta-Northwest got single carrier very quickly, but both sides where ALPA already governed by ALPA merger policy, and had already agreed to a SLI integration framework. And the Delta-Northwest merger happened very quickly from an operational standpoint.

United-Continental similarly where both ALPA, had an agreed upon ALPA SLI process and framework in place. ALPA filed single carrier in October 2010 and it was granted in November 2011... over a year later.

Point is, you can file whenever you want, doesn't mean the NMB is going to respond right away. If you read the rulings you see that the NMB needs to see quite a bit of combined operations in order to make their finding, and they do look at the SLI process. If there is a lack of agreed upon framework and clear cut picture who's on the integration committees, I doubt they will approve quickly.

EDIT: In Delta/Northwest, they already had an agreed upon negotiated and accepted combined seniority list PRIOR to the finding of single carrier. Undoubtedly this contributed to getting approval in just a few months.

Wiskey Driver

One thing has nothing to do with the other. The single carrier status is for the entire business and its a proven fact that one company can control while 2 groups operate independently. The NMB will grant single carrier status in short order as they did when he BOUGHT usair out of BK. Douglas has already started that by selling tickets on both carriers and they are in the process of moving a/c around on the AA side for better fleet utilization. In essence the frame work you mention is already there, its called the MB!

We have not had a REAL UNION here since usapa stole everything and called the arbitrator a senile old fool. I hope you realize that arbitrators are from a very small class and that George was among their senior members. Karma is one hell of a thing and while the east has been successful in skirting their obligations I am sure the MB process will right much of this. DCA 321FO this will be your position for many many years so get use to it. Now join me in showing usapa the damn door with a bootprint of Dr. Martin on their ass ends!


WD at AWA

Night Hawk 6

One question Night Hawk, in the history of APA have they ever once tried to have pilots employment terminated??

WD at AWA



It is with great reluctance but a response is necessary here. The trials and tribulations faced by members of the airline pilot profession do not begin or end with your seeming unrelenting phobia. The history of our profession includes internal and external battles that have taken many pilots to the end of their career at the hands of their fellow aviators. If you read the history of the formation of APA, both sides, you will see how politics combined with tempers and management manipulation were the foundation for APA, an event that many will debate as the most serious setback to pilot unity in history. Look at the pilots whose careers were destroyed by Lorenzo with the help of self serving pilots. Look at the thousands of Braniff pilots whose careers ended because their fellow aviators would not abide by the ALPA agreement giving them preferential hiring status. In the history of the airline pilot profession the continuing East vs. West situation will be ranked as a pity party when compared to the travesties pilots have done to one another throughout the eighty plus years of our profession.

ForeverFO

Night Hawk, I understand you have a beef with APA because you did not feel they took care of furloughees adequately. Fair enough, but the decade of 2000 was entirely and wildly different from previous decades. Thank Osama and crew for much of it. It was a decade of retrenchment and bankruptcies industry wide.

There will be no "Big ass APA staple gun." No one wants anything except an SLI integration that will leave everyone a little hacked. That would be indicative of one that's reasonably fair. If anyone is ecstatic afterwards, something's wrong.

Wiskey Driver

Not only do I remember but I lived thur it! The question still remains for you. Is there a time in which you can reference that the APA worked to have fellow pilots within AA fired? See I already know the answer to this question and usually only ask questions for which I know the answers. I might agree somewhat with your assessment regarding the east west battle. Remember, never in the history of aviation has any pilot group done what usapa has done. Air Wisconsin fought against and arbitration but let it go after some time. Usapa has fought to the death to not have to honor their obligation and that my friend will leave a stain on the name of USAIR from now until forever.

Usapa was born out of cheating and stealing. They sought to divide rather than unite. Pilots have almost lost careers because they refused to pay usapa for what we were NOT getting. Usapa has produced nothing in its existence other than extreme hatred. Now I realize that you have not lived in our nightmare but trust me when I tell you that we can paint the picture for you and it ain't pretty at all.

WD at AWA

Saabs

Just out of curiosity why does eaglefly take sides on east v west? Don't see how it matters to him at AA. As a third lister I could care less, its much easier to sit back and watch both sides act like babies. Followed up by a Usapa email that goes straight to the trash.

eaglefly

If you can't even SPELL fantasy correctly, then I doubt you could identify it either. You periodically return to the old, tired and irrelevant way I transferred to AA in a desperate attempt to obtain credibility and it always fails.

Try something new.

Snarge

APA blows, but not as bad as USAPA!!

eaglefly

Because Eaglefly knows that USAPA is a destructive force wherever it goes. The bull will always attempt to destroy what doesn't meet its needs. I'd say the same thing if USAPA was an investment group with a history of stiffing investors for its own interests or a national union like ALPA, that is more bent than a dog's hind leg.

Actually, USAPA's latest supposed move would be good for all AA pilots as any delay on the SLI only starts any fence clock later and thus it will last longer. That doesn't matter to USAPA though, as they've already blown all ten of their piggies clean off and will be known as "stumpy" until they walk off a cliff for the last time. In the interim, all AA pilots should expect obnoxious intransigence from this planet to be epic.