AA Remaining furloughee analysis?
01-31-2014, 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by PurpleTurtle
We get it. The former LAS and PHX crews do 25% of their flying on CLT, PHL, DCA routes. We totally get it.
01-31-2014, 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by 70Espada
You didn't hear? The west reps quit today. Evidently they were being used as token window dressings with no real intention of allowing them any real input. Very disapointed, unfortunately not surprised.
Pathetic whiners. Sure you can stay another 30 days. Sign an apology for acting out of your authority during negations and sign a non-disclosure agreement to continue for your last 30 days with a promise to be professional.
01-31-2014, 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by crzipilot
I think where the APA might be gun shy about going after credited time for LOS on furlough, might be looking at the East list. If they get credited time for their furloughees within the SLI, then I would imagine what is good for the goose is good for the gander? Wouldn't they have to agree to accepting credit for time served on furlough for the East guys too?
Usually folks mean active time is LOS.
USAir does not give any credit for time on furlough accept Non-Rev seniority, and I guess that is gone with the new Non-Rev policy of first come first serve.
Get your popcorn!
01-31-2014, 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by 70Espada
I think he might have been comparing the fact that TWA was failing to the fact US was about to liquidate.
01-31-2014, 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by 70Espada
Actually i'm in my thirties. It's a comedy, you're just too far out of touch with reality to know it. In the end, i still win
"Its a horror movie" was a joke. We all win. Haven't you seen your pay stubs lately?
Buy the extra large popcorn, its a really long movie.
01-31-2014, 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by PurpleTurtle
I agree the APA will pull out all stops and won't give one thought to any law suit that might happen as a result. The TWA/ALPA 13+ year fight is perfect proof that APA has plenty of skill at this game.
I have long expected that the end result will be like UAL/CAL with large weighting for the APA wide bodies.
Under the new MOU we no longer have "third listers". We have two lists at USAir and I am happy to argue relative position all the way up and down. Most if not all of the so called third listers should be senior to the junior West guys, and only our newest hires in the last year should be mixed in with the junior guys on the West and APA.
But what do I know. I'm just along for the ride and enjoying every new bid that comes out as we wait.
I have long expected that the end result will be like UAL/CAL with large weighting for the APA wide bodies.
Under the new MOU we no longer have "third listers". We have two lists at USAir and I am happy to argue relative position all the way up and down. Most if not all of the so called third listers should be senior to the junior West guys, and only our newest hires in the last year should be mixed in with the junior guys on the West and APA.
But what do I know. I'm just along for the ride and enjoying every new bid that comes out as we wait.
I highly doubt USAPA will attempt to do this.
Originally Posted by Mink
Haha. Interesting question, and a semi-hot topic on the APA web board because of implications with LOS for furloughed pilots, and whether or not APA will choose to support the junior pilots (furloughed, recalled, deferred, whatever) by pushing for LOS or not.
BTW: LOS = Length of Service, i.e., credit for time served on furlough.
BTW: LOS = Length of Service, i.e., credit for time served on furlough.
Originally Posted by cactusmike
I thought length of service was giving furloughed guys credit for time they had spent on property, not time being on furlough status.
The example would be a guy with 6 years on property but is currently furloughed being given credit for the 6 years he had been active versus a 3 year active pilot at the other merger partner.
In some SLIs the furloughed pilots are placed below active pilots, in others the time on active service is taken into consideration. It all depends on the circumstances and the way the arbitrator looks at the facts.
The example would be a guy with 6 years on property but is currently furloughed being given credit for the 6 years he had been active versus a 3 year active pilot at the other merger partner.
In some SLIs the furloughed pilots are placed below active pilots, in others the time on active service is taken into consideration. It all depends on the circumstances and the way the arbitrator looks at the facts.
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