If my conversation with a 20 something F/O the other day is any indication, yes, it will be the same.

 

Oh Fred, you silly alpha males still don't get it. The JCBA (work rules, etc.) is SUBJECT to change vs. the present MTA. We should EXPECT changes in that. That's not the same thing as believing APA can control what your reps argue in SLI negotiations or in the failure of that, what they present to the arbitrators. It's also not the same thing as what the ARBITRATORS decide regarding SLI (not APA).

I don't recall making a "big deal" about that. It is simply one of the required benchmarks on the way to USAPA's dissolution. USAPA didn't agree to waive its rights, they agreed to waive their EXISTENCE. The MOU wasn't overseen by Silver and was not only agreed to by USAPA, its provisions were NEGOTIATED by them. It's the MOU that defines the process, timeline and order.

Yep. USAPA is disputing the terms they negotiated and agreed to with Hummel's signature. That about boils it down into its pure form.

Hogwash. It's no wonder some of you guys get so worked up about what I say. You don't understand a thing I say at all and seem to instead insert your own error and bias in interpreting it. I never said I would "support" anything from APA......they may become my worst enemy for Christ's sake ! What I have essentially stated is that there is no "interpretation" necessary regarding USAPA's existence because the MOU clearly spells it out and when. USAPA negotiated that and agreed to it. I've stated since it is clear, there should be no dispute about it and normally there wouldn't be, but most of those on planet Earth know what USAPA does and usually it's AFTER they either dislike a result or AFTER they get a benefit. I wouldn't support USAPA on the basis they weren't my present union, I'd refuse to support them on the basis I believe they are hopelessly corrupt. It's a foundational position, not a representational one.

I don't care WHO the technical "union" is, as long as on this issue, all relevant sides get to fairly present their interests before neutral arbitrators and that includes the East (as well as those other guys flying on your seniority list who apparently aren't East pilots ). As long as that occurs, it doesn't matter who the union is, because it will be neutral arbitrators that decide the merits of each position and argument and who will weigh what is argued or asserted before them.

 

Obsessed. Obsession is a virtue, in golf.

 

Neutral Arbitrators: When an Arbitrator gets paid by the day to work on a case, delay makes the payout greater. Totally neutral and fair is a fantasy.
Delay, Delay, Delay is the best outcome.
USAPA is going to get hammered, delay the beating as long as possible.

 

Not a bad golfer.........and you should be looking in the mirror when you say that. After all, the cousin of obsession is denial.

 

Ok. So you are in denial too. I don't read your encyclopedic posts because u an simply lazy.

 

The future. It's always better in the future.

 

.......and yet you compulsively seek out conflict with me. What other compulsions have taken you over ?

 

I don't care about what happened at Eagle and no matter how much you post about it I won't give a rats *** about it.... Not that you ever post much of anything on it.

If I start posting hundreds of inflammatory posts about Eagle Flow, and beg you to believe I was never an Eagle pilot, then by all means laugh at me for obsessing about an issue that is of no personal issue to me.

 

Eagle ?

What does anything have to do with that ?

Jesus. Look, feel free to discuss that which you want. I'm not obsessed enough to take it personally or consider it "inflammatory" simply because I may disagree with it. I promise not to call you any derogatory names or makes offensive references to your family. That's something that seems to be part of a USAPA repertoire, not mine. I think if you're going to go around in life considering anything you disagree with as inflammatory, you're setting yourself up for a lot of angst, especially when it comes to this forum. Discuss or criticize APA and/or the present or former AA flow-thru's all you want. Well, you've already taken that liberty with APA anyway, but knock yourself out. I promise not to come unglued.

....and for the record, I've never begged anyone to do anything here. You don't want to believe I was a former Eagle pilot ? Hey, that's cool. I really couldn't care less. That seems to be another one of your obsessions and why you care either way, I have no idea. If it wasn't a personal issue for you, you'd never bring it up, but have at least several times over the last year and here it is again.