Protocol Agreement Reached per USAPA
05-05-2014 | 04:40 PM
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05-05-2014 | 04:53 PM
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I don't think either APA or Parker get too worked up over USAPA developments since they're essentially a lame duck organization at this point.
05-05-2014 | 05:08 PM
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No, those are assertions. The "facts" will be determined by neutral parties as those are what we will ultimately live with, i.e. our reality.
USAPA is disputing what it agreed to after it agreed to it. Essentially, one could argue they are disagreeing with themselves. It is EXACTLY what they did (as an ALPA majority) when they agreed to roll the dice with their last SLI arbitration under the auspices of the NMB and then disliked the result. The MOU specifically envisions USAPA dissolving prior to completion of SLI. If only APA exists as the sole bargaining agent, it will be them that bears the burden of DFR ensuring that all pilots interests are fairly represented. The NMB arbitrators in that case are not tasked with determination or declaration of who is a bargaining representative, that is up to the pilots prior to that. APA will be declared that as a result of a majority not unlike how the East did that overthrowing ALPA and birthing USAPA. It's essentially history repeating itself, just with USAPA loafer on the other foot this time and now they don't like the fit.
If only they didn't agree to the MOU with that clear and present expectation. Of course had they done that, they would have gotten the pay and pension bumps. I don't think in this case, they can have their cake and eat it too.......at least not the frosting.
USAPA is disputing what it agreed to after it agreed to it. Essentially, one could argue they are disagreeing with themselves. It is EXACTLY what they did (as an ALPA majority) when they agreed to roll the dice with their last SLI arbitration under the auspices of the NMB and then disliked the result. The MOU specifically envisions USAPA dissolving prior to completion of SLI. If only APA exists as the sole bargaining agent, it will be them that bears the burden of DFR ensuring that all pilots interests are fairly represented. The NMB arbitrators in that case are not tasked with determination or declaration of who is a bargaining representative, that is up to the pilots prior to that. APA will be declared that as a result of a majority not unlike how the East did that overthrowing ALPA and birthing USAPA. It's essentially history repeating itself, just with USAPA loafer on the other foot this time and now they don't like the fit.
If only they didn't agree to the MOU with that clear and present expectation. Of course had they done that, they would have gotten the pay and pension bumps. I don't think in this case, they can have their cake and eat it too.......at least not the frosting.
Let me share with you my experience with the APA. We have the whole TWA thing, which I don't really know the whole story on, but have an idea. Then we have the MOU that I voted for. It contained a 1 for 3.25 rig that the APA gave away AFTER I voted for it for, what? A 10 cent increase in per diem? Well, last month if I'd had that rig, or better yet the west long rate, I had been paid about 7 hours more group 2 capt pay. Instead I got about $30 more per diem. Yeah, I feel the love.
05-05-2014 | 05:20 PM
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Ah. So is that is your way of saying "Yeah relay, it's an opinion." ?
Let me share with you my experience with the APA. We have the whole TWA thing, which I don't really know the whole story on, but have an idea. Then we have the MOU that I voted for. It contained a 1 for 3.25 rig that the APA gave away AFTER I voted for it for, what? A 10 cent increase in per diem? Well, last month if I'd had that rig, or better yet the west long rate, I had been paid about 7 hours more group 2 capt pay. Instead I got about $30 more per diem. Yeah, I feel the love.
Let me share with you my experience with the APA. We have the whole TWA thing, which I don't really know the whole story on, but have an idea. Then we have the MOU that I voted for. It contained a 1 for 3.25 rig that the APA gave away AFTER I voted for it for, what? A 10 cent increase in per diem? Well, last month if I'd had that rig, or better yet the west long rate, I had been paid about 7 hours more group 2 capt pay. Instead I got about $30 more per diem. Yeah, I feel the love.
You lost me.
Why did you vote for those provisions if you disagreed with them ?
05-05-2014 | 05:45 PM
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For the crap I give the west they had some great contract provisions that have been totally ignored.
05-05-2014 | 07:57 PM
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Yeah, you're lost genius. I voted for something that the APA unilaterally changed after the fact with no input from US, east or west. They traded the 1/3.25 rig for a tiny increase in per diem. That doesn't even address that the 1/3.25 rig was vastly inferior to the west long rate-something that USAPA saw the value of and had already TA'ed.
For the crap I give the west they had some great contract provisions that have been totally ignored.
For the crap I give the west they had some great contract provisions that have been totally ignored.
05-05-2014 | 08:57 PM
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The applicability of the MB Statute is in dispute. Big deal. The NMB is acting in accord with the statute. What else can one ask for? If someone wants the NMB to act out of accord with the statute, that will require the courts intervention. Courts are slow. Oh well.
05-06-2014 | 01:07 AM
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05-06-2014 | 03:11 AM
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Let me try again. You claim that USAPA is trying to change things after the fact, I show you evidence where the APA has done just that in another area, and why I don't trust them.
You make this big issue of USAPA agreeing to SCS. It's not a big deal and as a matter of fact, it's irrelevant. SCS has to happen and with the numbers, it will be the APA. So yeah, USAPA agreed to the obvious, it just didn't agree to waive it's rights under a federal statute as the APA is claiming, using Judge Silver's dicta.
So, the MOU and it's terms are in dispute. USAPA decided to go one way to settle the dispute, the company and the APA say that it has to be settled another way. We'll see.
You yourself said that the only reason you support the APA's interpretation is because they will be the CBA. You said that if there was a chance that USAPA could be the CBA, then you wouldn't support them running the whole show. I think you actually see the absurdity of one group coming in and taking over the whole process, and are a hypocrite.
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