No **** sherlock that is why until the end of the year when the total pay for the year is added you will make more, hourly vs total pay.
But hey I expect nothing more from a management do boy like yourself than to argue semantics all the while ignoring the real issue.
I think there is a exec that needs their shoes shined, better get yourself over there right away.

 

Yeah...you sound like a real winner. Why don't you go to Delta then and stop your ****ing and moaning? Oh wait...you're a loser and Delta won't hire you. Got it. Typical.

Enjoy your miserable life, loser!!

 

I would assume by that point you'd be at FedEx, yes ?

Why would you stay at AA and remain at the back of the compensation conga line for the next decade when FedEx will take you in a heartbeat ?

 

You are a complete moron. Or a complete fool. Probably both.

The wages were at bankruptcy rates because that's how Doug likes it. ALPA (not USAPA, and that's not to defend USAPA, but to educate idiots like you) negotiated junk terms and he took advantage.

The people who were on the other side of the table from USAPA are the same filth that are now on the other side of the table from APA. APA has negotiated junk terms and Doug will once again take advantage of that.

They are in the process of showing the industry who is the new 'laughing stock'. That means you and others like you. Embrace it you fool.

 

The LAX reps cut lose from the union and joined Glass. Wilson sat by, then sanctioned Kirby direct negotiations. Then the chairman of the negotiating committee conceded defeat openly to anyone who would listen, then posted on a public forum.

Talk about DFR breach by the numbers...

Thought APA was better/smarter than that...

 

At least we have a union to count on that will give up scope so we can get our next pay raise..

 

At this point, the company has no real vested interest in caving in to give APA everything it wants. I know some of you think the company is willing to pay just about anything to get HBT and I/D combinations, but I think most of you have grossly over-valued those items and the willingness of management to get those changes.

The problem is we already have a contract. This vote is simply an amendment to that contract. Management has already costed out the previous contract, and they were prepared to work under that contract. Saying no at this point does nothing but tell the company to pound sand and support the "we sure told them" attitudes.

For those of you who think Parker and Kirby sit around in their offices and in their homes plotting of new ways to screw pilots, you shouldn't give yourselves that much credit. I really don't think they do. Our contract is one of many rocks they have to deal with on a daily basis. Is it a big deal? Sure, it's a big deal, but it's not the only deal and I really don't think they give a crap whether we take their offer or not. Obviously they would prefer we did so they could move forward with some efficiencies, but outside of that, they really don't care.

The truth is we're not going to see Min Calendar Day, Group III A321 pay, improved LTD, full LOS or any of those other things, even if we vote this down. I'd be willing to bet on it. So the choices are either live with the Green Book and the lower MTA pay, or take a deal that implements the Green Book plus a few structural changes and get higher pay. That's really the choices ahead.

And spare me the "inmates" comparison. Jeez, you guys are full of rhetoric. It's not a prison, you are free to leave at any point...and this job is certainly far from the worst job I've ever had...actually, minus the commuting, it's the best job I've had so far.

 

It seems to me that the only thing the company really wants is HBT for the 787, everything else they can work around. Intl/dom they can just not open intl US bases. And I'm not sure they are excluded from getting HBT in arbitration. People are making big assumptions without the facts and many have forgotten the big claims, and losses on previous arbitrations.

Kasher will pay anyone? Any Alaska pilots reading this want to share the experience a few years back and what the predictions were?

 

Agreed that Parker & Co. have no reason not to probe both APA and this pilot group to find out exactly what we are about. Why should Parker roll over now ?

Parker can always come back to the table at some future point as he did at Envoy and several times. But once we demonstrate our willingness to feed upon each other for personal gain philosophy, we are that much weaker next time. The slightly higher pay and slightly sooner isn't worth the damage to our future from my perspective. So far, Parker and Glass have made a embarrassing mockery out of this union leadership and if the pilots don't correct that, we'll pay dearly in the future.

The slightly better and slightly quicker raises will cost us ten times that in the long run.

 

The process that's been playing out at Eagle/Envoy isn't the same process that's playing out here. There's already an end-game set in writing for our JCBA process. With the Envoy pilots, it's open-ended...much like how it will be when this contract ends. In 2020, it may take several rebuffs of the company to get them to play ball. I think we'll all be prepared to do so at that time. Pay, while not "industry leading", will be in the ballpark of industry standard so there shouldn't be any whining about pay rates by then. I would hope that 2020 is more about getting QOL issues than industry-leading pay. Gradual steps is the key.