Actually they are VERY much the same. The same strategy is being used and so far, it appears the same results. The SPECIFICS aren't the issue, but that's exactly the subterfuge Parker and Glass hope to distract us with. It appears it has worked perfectly on you, though.

There will be no more "gradual steps". Take a look at the weakness our fractured BOD has exhibited. They look like the Keystone Cops. If the pilots fall prey to the same behavior, come 2020, we'll be in even worse shape. But, that doesn't change the fact that Parker will consider that to be a quid-pro-quo negotiation essentially once again TRADING work rules and other contractual provisions to offset the cost of pay raises which are still likely to be not "industry leading" JUST AS WE ARE DOING NOW.

It's clear to me you simply are unable or unwilling to understand both the devastating ramifications of bypassing our last opportunity to be relevant to PARKER from a cohesive union standpoint or an entity with negotiating leverage. Again, since we will have little that's truly of value to him as scheduling, insurance, disability and pensions have all been gutted, the last bastion will be scope and trading Group I for more pay raises.

Heck, at that point it's likely the general consensus of most of us close to retirement will be "why not", gimme my money !

A yes vote for this now essentially means we have just committed seppuku. If that occurs, in 2020, I'll be willing to give Parker anything he wants for a few more bucks in my last years because we won't even be a union then (well, actually we aren't one now, just an association), we'll be 15,000 (likely substantially less) independent contractors all looking out for #1 and isn't that what Parker ultimately wants and why he brought in Jerry Glass and what's Jerry's specialty ?

Union busting.

He doesn't do it overnight, but begins by destroying its foundation until it does what it's doing here right this very minute.

Collapsing under its OWN weight.

At this rate, all they will have to do in 2020, is show up at the rubble and collect what left that has value to them.

 

DOOM! GLOOM! ALL IS LOST! Better start calling that truck driving school. Truckmasters, right?

 

You really should think about a management position.

Unless, of course, you're already in one.

 

And what's wrong with that? You make it sound like it's a bad thing for someone to advance their career into a higher position.

 

I have no qualms with people in management. They have a job to do. If you think they take those positions just to make your life hard, then you have a problem. Chill out. And no, I don't want a management job. If I wanted to do that I would have stayed in the Air Force and gone to the Pentagon. I like flying airplanes.

 

I agree. People like Eaglefly actually believe that Doug Parker sits in his office everyday thinking, "How can I screw the pilots today?" They actually think that management spends all their time thinking of ways to hurt employees.

 

He was being facetious Einstein.

 

What they think about is how much will it take to get the APA to vote for a contract with 50.1% support. That is what they want to pay. The rest can be spent on bonuses and profit sharing for mgmt.

It depends on your definition of hurt. What do you think is a fair amount for a pilot to make?
Are AMR pilots deserving to make at least as much as Delta / UCH pilots?
Mgmt doesn't want a strike, but they surely don't want to match Delta and offer profit sharing and such if they can get APA a contract for 20% less.

 

The point is that it is disingenuous to come here as a mgmt employee and try and get employees to settle for less then their peers at similar corporations.

If he wants to be mgmt, so be it, but that negotiation won't be handled by APA that will be direct with the corporation.

 

Except that's not what's going on here. You guys and your conspiracy theories...geez. Just in case you didn't notice, Eaglefly thinks every pilot who doesn't automatically vilify management and adopt his "rain cloud" approach is management or a management wanna-be.