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#111
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You may have to hold off on going to the Polaris dealership.
hahahha beggars can't be choosers. They got everything they wanted out of you YES MEN voters, they have no incentive to help you out now.
I didn't see any contract language that forces them to pay the retro right away, did you?
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Thanks for all the entertainment. YES YES YES YES vote YES oh wait, now they are screwing us and holding our retro pay?
hahahha beggars can't be choosers. They got everything they wanted out of you YES MEN voters, they have no incentive to help you out now.
I didn't see any contract language that forces them to pay the retro right away, did you?
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Thanks for all the entertainment. YES YES YES YES vote YES oh wait, now they are screwing us and holding our retro pay?
#112
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Its not like APA or the pilots are going to do anything about it. We are, have been and will be just along for the ride at the whims of management.
#113
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The claim is that its computer related to the different operations. Thats bunk. Clearly its foot dragging on the expensive stuff and why not ?
Its not like APA or the pilots are going to do anything about it. We are, have been and will be just along for the ride at the whims of management.
Its not like APA or the pilots are going to do anything about it. We are, have been and will be just along for the ride at the whims of management.
#114
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Nope. That rep is one of the newest on the BOD and apparently had/has it all figuered out. He also promised in the past to bid reserve in an effort to shield a probie from scheduling issues and subsequently reneged. I understand many think he should be dispatched back to the line in the upcoming elections to actually work for his 95 hours/month by flying, but that domicile is and has been among the weakest in the system, so that outcome is questionable.
There seems to be some relationship in being a management sympathetic BOD member and advancement to check airman status or a management position, so by 2020, many of the gang of ten could be on the other side of the fence.
2020 is going to be a hoot to watch.
There seems to be some relationship in being a management sympathetic BOD member and advancement to check airman status or a management position, so by 2020, many of the gang of ten could be on the other side of the fence.
2020 is going to be a hoot to watch.
Your knowledge of your union reps is weak. He has more experience on the BOD than 5 of the 12 'no BOD' members combined.
Scott H is the head of administration(?) for AA. He'd have a decent guess on when the retro will be sent out.
#115
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The claim is that its computer related to the different operations. Thats bunk. Clearly its foot dragging on the expensive stuff and why not ?
Its not like APA or the pilots are going to do anything about it. We are, have been and will be just along for the ride at the whims of management.
Its not like APA or the pilots are going to do anything about it. We are, have been and will be just along for the ride at the whims of management.
#116
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I don't have a dog in this fight but am really confused as to what the big deal is with a major airline pilot taking out a $500k mortgage? Assuming 20% down, thats a $625k house. Yes it may be on the high side but it is not outside of the reach of plenty of captains, many FOs, and almost any pilot who has done some sound financial planning and/or has a spouse that has a regular middle class income.
Like I said, I have no idea who this guy is or why he's a subject of discussion, I'm just surprised that this size of a mortgage is worthy of discussion.
Like I said, I have no idea who this guy is or why he's a subject of discussion, I'm just surprised that this size of a mortgage is worthy of discussion.
#117
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I don't have a dog in this fight but am really confused as to what the big deal is with a major airline pilot taking out a $500k mortgage? Assuming 20% down, thats a $625k house. Yes it may be on the high side but it is not outside of the reach of plenty of captains, many FOs, and almost any pilot who has done some sound financial planning and/or has a spouse that has a regular middle class income.
Like I said, I have no idea who this guy is or why he's a subject of discussion, I'm just surprised that this size of a mortgage is worthy of discussion.
Like I said, I have no idea who this guy is or why he's a subject of discussion, I'm just surprised that this size of a mortgage is worthy of discussion.
He could buy a fleet of Lamborghini's on his salary for all I care, but I read his blasts and disagreed with them and couldnt rationalize his claims. No matter now as the course is set. Heck, aside from our financial choices, me and him are now on the same team; Gimme the bucks and screw the rest. If he's still on the BOD in 2020, I hope he's hip deep in debt and needs more $$$, because it will improve my chances of getting a fast deal for new Delta rates even if it means more work rule concessions or scope gives, so personally I don't consider him a liability for me at least.
#118
I don't have a dog in this fight but am really confused as to what the big deal is with a major airline pilot taking out a $500k mortgage? Assuming 20% down, thats a $625k house. Yes it may be on the high side but it is not outside of the reach of plenty of captains, many FOs, and almost any pilot who has done some sound financial planning and/or has a spouse that has a regular middle class income.
Like I said, I have no idea who this guy is or why he's a subject of discussion, I'm just surprised that this size of a mortgage is worthy of discussion.
Like I said, I have no idea who this guy is or why he's a subject of discussion, I'm just surprised that this size of a mortgage is worthy of discussion.
#119
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Not freaking kidding. Mind your own god damn business. Out where I live in SoCal, you don't buy any house for less than a 4 to 500k mortgage. It's an average amount to finance and results in a $2400 to $2600 monthly payment - easily covered by any mainline pilot and any regional captain.
#120
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Of course, it's another perfect example of just what awaits us in 2020 and it's a recipe for disappointment and faliure.
The criticism leveled by many for this rep (and to be fair, other reps have been criticized for X, Y and Z) wasn't about this money per se, just that they believed someone willing to take on that much debt considering their income might not be as objective as necessary. At any rate, this issue is simply a minor footnote to the library of problems this association and pilot group face going forward and considering the past and now present, the future looks to be another certain disaster all but solidifying this pilot group as the permanent "also ran's" in the three-way compensation race among the big three legacy pilot groups.
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