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Old 02-03-2015, 12:04 PM
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You may have to hold off on going to the Polaris dealership.


hahahha beggars can't be choosers. They got everything they wanted out of you YES MEN voters, they have no incentive to help you out now.

I didn't see any contract language that forces them to pay the retro right away, did you?

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Thanks for all the entertainment. YES YES YES YES vote YES oh wait, now they are screwing us and holding our retro pay?
Too funny !!!
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Old 02-03-2015, 12:08 PM
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Some of the reps identified over thirty (30) MOU provisions beneficial to the pilots.. But not implemented yet.

Just imagine how many will pile up from the JCBA.
The claim is that its computer related to the different operations. Thats bunk. Clearly its foot dragging on the expensive stuff and why not ?

Its not like APA or the pilots are going to do anything about it. We are, have been and will be just along for the ride at the whims of management.
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Old 02-03-2015, 12:34 PM
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The claim is that its computer related to the different operations. Thats bunk. Clearly its foot dragging on the expensive stuff and why not ?

Its not like APA or the pilots are going to do anything about it. We are, have been and will be just along for the ride at the whims of management.
Worse than that is the pilots that do the work for management
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Old 02-03-2015, 12:39 PM
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Nope. That rep is one of the newest on the BOD and apparently had/has it all figuered out. He also promised in the past to bid reserve in an effort to shield a probie from scheduling issues and subsequently reneged. I understand many think he should be dispatched back to the line in the upcoming elections to actually work for his 95 hours/month by flying, but that domicile is and has been among the weakest in the system, so that outcome is questionable.

There seems to be some relationship in being a management sympathetic BOD member and advancement to check airman status or a management position, so by 2020, many of the gang of ten could be on the other side of the fence.

2020 is going to be a hoot to watch.

Your knowledge of your union reps is weak. He has more experience on the BOD than 5 of the 12 'no BOD' members combined.

Scott H is the head of administration(?) for AA. He'd have a decent guess on when the retro will be sent out.
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Old 02-03-2015, 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly View Post
The claim is that its computer related to the different operations. Thats bunk. Clearly its foot dragging on the expensive stuff and why not ?

Its not like APA or the pilots are going to do anything about it. We are, have been and will be just along for the ride at the whims of management.
How many of those items is the union pushing to get implemented??? Why is the union OK with the foot dragging?
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Old 02-03-2015, 12:51 PM
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Is Scott H. the rep with a .5M$ new mortgage to service?
I don't have a dog in this fight but am really confused as to what the big deal is with a major airline pilot taking out a $500k mortgage? Assuming 20% down, thats a $625k house. Yes it may be on the high side but it is not outside of the reach of plenty of captains, many FOs, and almost any pilot who has done some sound financial planning and/or has a spouse that has a regular middle class income.

Like I said, I have no idea who this guy is or why he's a subject of discussion, I'm just surprised that this size of a mortgage is worthy of discussion.
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Old 02-03-2015, 01:14 PM
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I don't have a dog in this fight but am really confused as to what the big deal is with a major airline pilot taking out a $500k mortgage? Assuming 20% down, thats a $625k house. Yes it may be on the high side but it is not outside of the reach of plenty of captains, many FOs, and almost any pilot who has done some sound financial planning and/or has a spouse that has a regular middle class income.

Like I said, I have no idea who this guy is or why he's a subject of discussion, I'm just surprised that this size of a mortgage is worthy of discussion.
His financial choices have indeed been a topic for discussion and some find them questionable. In the past, he's also stated he would do something significant to demonstrate his commitment and didn't and was BBQ'ed for it on C & R. Met him once and thought he seemed like a nice guy, but he indicated he was new to the BOD and was just getting his feet wet. That wasnt that long ago.

He could buy a fleet of Lamborghini's on his salary for all I care, but I read his blasts and disagreed with them and couldnt rationalize his claims. No matter now as the course is set. Heck, aside from our financial choices, me and him are now on the same team; Gimme the bucks and screw the rest. If he's still on the BOD in 2020, I hope he's hip deep in debt and needs more $$$, because it will improve my chances of getting a fast deal for new Delta rates even if it means more work rule concessions or scope gives, so personally I don't consider him a liability for me at least.
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Old 02-03-2015, 02:07 PM
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I don't have a dog in this fight but am really confused as to what the big deal is with a major airline pilot taking out a $500k mortgage? Assuming 20% down, thats a $625k house. Yes it may be on the high side but it is not outside of the reach of plenty of captains, many FOs, and almost any pilot who has done some sound financial planning and/or has a spouse that has a regular middle class income.

Like I said, I have no idea who this guy is or why he's a subject of discussion, I'm just surprised that this size of a mortgage is worthy of discussion.
Exactly, where I live that buys an average suburban home. It's irrelevant what anyone does with the money. Save it, pay off student loans, fund college for the kids, rent some hookers, gamble, buy a Polaris ranger (though the razr would be more fun TP).
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Old 02-03-2015, 02:41 PM
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Not freaking kidding. Mind your own god damn business. Out where I live in SoCal, you don't buy any house for less than a 4 to 500k mortgage. It's an average amount to finance and results in a $2400 to $2600 monthly payment - easily covered by any mainline pilot and any regional captain.
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Exactly, where I live that buys an average suburban home. It's irrelevant what anyone does with the money. Save it, pay off student loans, fund college for the kids, rent some hookers, gamble, buy a Polaris ranger (though the razr would be more fun TP).
So you'd have no problem with a rep who buys hookers making contractual decisions on your behalf ? Wow. I guess for many, it doesnt matter who is their association representative.

Of course, it's another perfect example of just what awaits us in 2020 and it's a recipe for disappointment and faliure.

The criticism leveled by many for this rep (and to be fair, other reps have been criticized for X, Y and Z) wasn't about this money per se, just that they believed someone willing to take on that much debt considering their income might not be as objective as necessary. At any rate, this issue is simply a minor footnote to the library of problems this association and pilot group face going forward and considering the past and now present, the future looks to be another certain disaster all but solidifying this pilot group as the permanent "also ran's" in the three-way compensation race among the big three legacy pilot groups.
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