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Old 05-09-2015 | 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Route66
The computer has canned routes for both international and domestic, from which the dispatcher evaluates and inserts after weather, aircraft and crew limitations and restrictions (if any). But one YOU get "the release" it is up to YOU (as PIC) to review all the pertinent data in "the package" and agree to accept it or not. On international routes things like "tracks", route weather, crew coordinated activities and so on are to be reviewed and briefed.

All of this is before you even block out of the gate. By NOT doing so opens yourself up to liability if "something happens".

I really shouldn't even have to say this all over but it is really what we are required TO DO and SHOULD HAVE BEEN DOING this whole time.

So....I'm NOT talking about permission to "wipe" or "pee" its about doing your job. Read the FM. It's there.
So, if the FM has quotes out of "Mein Kampf" are you blindly going to follow it? Or are you going to use your brain for something else?
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Old 05-09-2015 | 07:49 AM
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Default Plan is to go paperless...

Printing out the paperwork is one chore at LAA that we still have to do, but the CCI app at least makes it much more user friendly. You can print the paperwork to any printer you designate (it defaults to your gate's printer) and it can be there waiting for you. Or, if you are old school, you can log into any available airport computer/printer and do it there. Smart captains pick gates not working a flight so they don't get passenger questions!

As an FO I really love the CCI app. You can save all pertinent papers such as the TPS, flight plan, and even crew/hotel info, right onto your iphone or ipad. That way if you head to the jet early you don't have to wait on any printed paperwork.

They are telling us that the next step, coming soon, will be a paperless cockpit, where the above mentioned CCI app paperwork will be legal to use for the flight, and the captain just signs off everything electronically. Heck LAA captains already do an electronic sign-off--all we are really waiting for is a 3G/4G connection on our company ipads so we can get the paperwork away from wifi locations.

So I think the merged "New American" can look forward to this too...
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Old 05-09-2015 | 08:07 AM
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Thanks for the info turtle.
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Old 05-09-2015 | 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Pilot X
He probably meant plot the route not plan
I still don't know why dispatch doesn't do that either.

Originally Posted by C17turtle
Printing out the paperwork is one chore at LAA that we still have to do, but the CCI app at least makes it much more user friendly. You can print the paperwork to any printer you designate (it defaults to your gate's printer) and it can be there waiting for you. Or, if you are old school, you can log into any available airport computer/printer and do it there. Smart captains pick gates not working a flight so they don't get passenger questions!

As an FO I really love the CCI app. You can save all pertinent papers such as the TPS, flight plan, and even crew/hotel info, right onto your iphone or ipad. That way if you head to the jet early you don't have to wait on any printed paperwork.

They are telling us that the next step, coming soon, will be a paperless cockpit, where the above mentioned CCI app paperwork will be legal to use for the flight, and the captain just signs off everything electronically. Heck LAA captains already do an electronic sign-off--all we are really waiting for is a 3G/4G connection on our company ipads so we can get the paperwork away from wifi locations.

So I think the merged "New American" can look forward to this too...
That's smart, everything should be on ipad.
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Old 05-09-2015 | 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Arado 234
So, if the FM has quotes out of "Mein Kampf" are you blindly going to follow it? Or are you going to use your brain for something else?
Really??? I guess you don't really know anything about aviation. The FM is APPROVED by the FAA. It is also the law. My "brain" says follow the law. That is probably why you may need to "rethink" your "philosophy".

I am not going to "quote" the FM here because of SSI and copyright issues but suffice to say that if YOU don't follow it you do so at YOUR own risk. And no, there are NO QOUTES out of "Mein Kampf" in it.

As for MY brain, you would do well to manage your OWN brain first before you worry about others "brains".
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Old 05-09-2015 | 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by C17turtle
Printing out the paperwork is one chore at LAA that we still have to do, but the CCI app at least makes it much more user friendly. You can print the paperwork to any printer you designate (it defaults to your gate's printer) and it can be there waiting for you. Or, if you are old school, you can log into any available airport computer/printer and do it there. Smart captains pick gates not working a flight so they don't get passenger questions!

As an FO I really love the CCI app. You can save all pertinent papers such as the TPS, flight plan, and even crew/hotel info, right onto your iphone or ipad. That way if you head to the jet early you don't have to wait on any printed paperwork.

They are telling us that the next step, coming soon, will be a paperless cockpit, where the above mentioned CCI app paperwork will be legal to use for the flight, and the captain just signs off everything electronically. Heck LAA captains already do an electronic sign-off--all we are really waiting for is a 3G/4G connection on our company ipads so we can get the paperwork away from wifi locations.

So I think the merged "New American" can look forward to this too...
LUS can't do it....yet. I have been asking when WE can use mCCI but....not yet.

I AM looking forward to it because I want to do what Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid wants us conservatives to do and "save the trees"!!!
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Old 05-09-2015 | 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by CanoePilot
I still don't know why dispatch doesn't do that either.



That's smart, everything should be on ipad.
Agreed, that is prudent.
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Old 05-09-2015 | 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Route66
Really??? I guess you don't really know anything about aviation. The FM is APPROVED by the FAA. It is also the law. My "brain" says follow the law. That is probably why you may need to "rethink" your "philosophy".

I am not going to "quote" the FM here because of SSI and copyright issues but suffice to say that if YOU don't follow it you do so at YOUR own risk. And no, there are NO QOUTES out of "Mein Kampf" in it.

As for MY brain, you would do well to manage your OWN brain first before you worry about others "brains".
What does it really mean" approved by the FAA"? Read the NTSB's final on the AA accident in Jamaica, you'll find plenty of sentences starting with "the FAA failed...." and "the company failed..."

Why don't you have a look at C&R when you look at other brains! Scary!

I am using and have been using mine for a safe operation and have successfully done so for over 20 years. Pilots who only refer to the manual are usually the most insecure and pain in the butt (not the safest) pilots to fly with.
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Old 05-09-2015 | 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by CanoePilot
I still don't know why dispatch doesn't do that either.



That's smart, everything should be on ipad.
We don't get the actual track till we are in the air so a track change would screw that up. But I guess they could just plot all the tracks everyday and send them to us huh?

Americans way to plot a track takes about 2 minutes. So it's not hard.

Probably better to plot it ourselves so there are no mistakes. Some stations plot it for you, like AMS, and I have seen mistakes. Pretty sure the one who flies it wrong would get busted vs the one who plotted it from their office
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Old 05-09-2015 | 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Arado 234
What does it really mean" approved by the FAA"? Read the NTSB's final on the AA accident in Jamaica, you'll find plenty of sentences starting with "the FAA failed...." and "the company failed..."

Why don't you have a look at C&R when you look at other brains! Scary!

I am using and have been using mine for a safe operation and have successfully done so for over 20 years. Pilots who only refer to the manual are usually the most insecure and pain in the butt (not the safest) pilots to fly with.
That is why I DON'T look at C&R.

You mean. Jamaica....NEW YORK?? Which one? Or are you referring to the Airbus that crashed shortly after 9/11? Look, nobody is perfect but the FM is a REQUIRED document to operate by under NORMAL circumstances. That is the point. If you want to go off the reservation for some reason be prepared to justify it if and when the time comes.

That's all.

BTW, I have used MY brain all of my career as well (40+) and I'm accident free (there by the grace of the supreme being). I wouldn't tempt fate if I were you. Nevertheless, feel free to "toss out" the FM or better yet, just march to the beat of your OWN drummer and we'll see how that "logical brain" of yours operates if and when the time comes.

The F/O's I fly with "get it" and I don't seem to be winding up on anybody's no fly list as of yet.
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