I'm not well versed on the differences between what I think they call the Eagle Rights pilots and the 824 and the others.

Maybe EagleFly or so eone who is could/would post the information. For information's sake vs. an argument, if y'all didn't flame him to death just for explaining what it all means.

 

Will the current East APA board members or former USAPA "leaders" have any say? If so, I think we have a better chance of Parker walking into the crew room tomorrow saying, "Shucks guys. You've been good sports. We're implementing all items of the contract immediately! And here's min day for your efforts." than getting a 3L on the committee. You know damn well there are certain people our "leaders" are looking for to do that job.

 

824 pilots are a non issue as they flowed after snapshot. The pilots that comprise "traditional" flow-through with OCC seniority obtained prior to start or completion of training are Supplement W (Letter 3 in the former AE CBA) pilots (OCC '98-'01). Those that elected to pass on THIS flow-through were termed "Eagle Rights" pilots who stayed at Eagle and couldn't be displaced (in theory) by native AA and former TWA who exercised flowBACK rights to AE (this protection was diluted in a subsequent arbitration). However, some of these pilots elected to flow later via the 824 agreement, but their seniority positions and rights were no different than street hires. Once a pilot declared ER in the Supp. W agreement, they could not change their minds and had to wait until that flow agreement was completed via expiration and then reselect just like any other Eagle pilot once the new 824 flow agreement began. I know several pilots much senior to me at Eagle who went ER and then flipped to go in the 824 agreement costing them over 2000 numbers to where they have been on the present AA list (senior to me) had they chose to take the risk of flow-through under Supp. W.

Ouch.

 

How many flowed under Supplement W?

 

All I said is that I see "risks" if you show up. The BOA was clear this east action further harms the other parties to the arbitration, did you miss that part?

 

I don't have the exact number, but I believe it to be between 550-600. 125 (actually I think 124) jumped the fence onto AA property prior to 9/11 and have 18 month difference between OCC (bidding seniority) and DOH (on property for pay/pension). 285 or so moved over during furlough recall (arbitration definition) with 2000-2001 OCC and 2008 DOH (used ONLY for B-fund and pay step calculation) during 2010 to early 2012 and another 150 or so trickled over (2001 and possibly early 2002 OCC) from then until 12/3/13 a week prior to the snapshot at first year pay (interesting coincidence on timing there, eh ?). Post snapshot was street-hires mixed with 824's who are no different then street hires except they come from Envoy and bring longevity credit for vacation.

This is a rough idea.

 

I have no idea, I haven't heard a word on how the positions will be filled. Have you? I don't know who they might want as I figure the previous members can't be on it, and most guys I know don't want any of the ones that were on the last one.

But that's fine, just give up and complain.

 

There has been much talk about the young pilots on the West blocking seniority movement. Here is an interesting fact.

Total number of pilots under 40:
AA - 12
West - 35
East - 336

 

Hey, knock it off with the factual data. The BS info is WAY more compelling when used in an argument .

 

125 before 911, 244 by the end of 2010. Supp w/letter 3 sent 369 over to aa.