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12-14-2015 | 07:06 AM
#21
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May be true for some but when they put both classes together in Dallas for the first three days we all share the same hire date. The LAA guys also have an occupational date.
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12-14-2015 | 07:35 AM
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12-14-2015 | 07:37 AM
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I guess one could also say that if the LAA Letter T pilots had known that exercising their contractual right to defer return from furlough would be counted against them in this SLI, they would have had the appropriate info to base any decision on whether or not to defer return and might have elected to return ASAP. For that matter, I'd also guess that if the Eagle flows had known that the assurance that their AA seniority would in no way be impacted in the future by forced withholding from their assigned new-hire class might not be true, we wouldn't have agreed to Letter 3 and thus no flow-through under those provisions would exist.
Unfortunately, in the real world, revisionist history and subjective interpretation always seems to muddy up stagnant ponds that previously appeared clear.
Unfortunately, in the real world, revisionist history and subjective interpretation always seems to muddy up stagnant ponds that previously appeared clear.
12-14-2015 | 07:58 AM
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Agreed, but I think the various managements here have had to make relatively little effort at achieving that. We do just fine by ourselves.
12-14-2015 | 09:43 AM
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Maybe they always did it that way....
But until THEY had a JCBA, we worked for separate companies-with separate labor contracts.
12-14-2015 | 10:21 AM
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I'm with you, I can't imagine that they'd be able to change our pay raise date, since we were hired under a different contract and the pay raise expectations were set at that time. I'm guessing that this would be used solely for meshing the constructive notice hires together. Problem is, I don't think they could rearrange the list on either side independently, ie an LUS guy junior to me now becomes senior based on this change. But what do I know...
12-14-2015 | 10:47 AM
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I'm with you, I can't imagine that they'd be able to change our pay raise date, since we were hired under a different contract and the pay raise expectations were set at that time. I'm guessing that this would be used solely for meshing the constructive notice hires together. Problem is, I don't think they could rearrange the list on either side independently, ie an LUS guy junior to me now becomes senior based on this change. But what do I know...
In the big scheme of things this doesn't really change much for us, the US system gave us an advantage over AA, so not completely fair either.
The biggest problem I will have is buddies of mine hired 3-6 months prior to me will be thousands of numbers senior to me after the SLI (assuming LAA doesn't get its way). Kinda stings. It's unfortunate they couldn't have agreed to DOH (actual DOH on property) with fences. Would've solved a metric ton of issues.
12-14-2015 | 11:27 AM
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I would hope not either. How does AA determine seniority date again? Something about training completion date? OE completion date?
In the big scheme of things this doesn't really change much for us, the US system gave us an advantage over AA, so not completely fair either.
The biggest problem I will have is buddies of mine hired 3-6 months prior to me will be thousands of numbers senior to me after the SLI (assuming LAA doesn't get its way). Kinda stings. It's unfortunate they couldn't have agreed to DOH (actual DOH on property) with fences. Would've solved a metric ton of issues.
In the big scheme of things this doesn't really change much for us, the US system gave us an advantage over AA, so not completely fair either.
The biggest problem I will have is buddies of mine hired 3-6 months prior to me will be thousands of numbers senior to me after the SLI (assuming LAA doesn't get its way). Kinda stings. It's unfortunate they couldn't have agreed to DOH (actual DOH on property) with fences. Would've solved a metric ton of issues.
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