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12-14-2015 | 03:47 PM
#32
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I'm with you, I can't imagine that they'd be able to change our pay raise date, since we were hired under a different contract and the pay raise expectations were set at that time. I'm guessing that this would be used solely for meshing the constructive notice hires together. Problem is, I don't think they could rearrange the list on either side independently, ie an LUS guy junior to me now becomes senior based on this change. But what do I know...
Later training dates generally went senior on the LUS side, but junior on the LAA side.
The thing that got me about the email is that the union appears to already have decided that we are "paid incorrectly" as if this is all some kind of mistake.
The JCBA cannot be applied retroactively. Not by one day, not by one minute. Until someone can point to something other than the LUS contract which we were hired under, I am not willing to give an inch on this one.
12-14-2015 | 04:01 PM
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I don't think it's fair that the LUS guys in my class started 2nd year pay two months before I did. I think we all should've started on our hire date like every other airline on the planet. I'm hopeful that they move us BACK to make our CLAS and OCC date in line with our hire date so that our pay steps are correctly realigned. I think you guys are reading into this wrong. I think it's more what I'm saying, not screwing the LUS guys. This is what Rusty Mcdaniels (APA) implied to us at the APA barbecue Jun '14.
12-14-2015 | 04:18 PM
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I don't think it's fair that the LUS guys in my class started 2nd year pay two months before I did. I think we all should've started on our hire date like every other airline on the planet. I'm hopeful that they move us BACK to make our CLAS and OCC date in line with our hire date so that our pay steps are correctly realigned. I think you guys are reading into this wrong. I think it's more what I'm saying, not screwing the LUS guys. This is what Rusty Mcdaniels (APA) implied to us at the APA barbecue Jun '14.
12-14-2015 | 05:11 PM
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I don't think it's fair that the LUS guys in my class started 2nd year pay two months before I did. I think we all should've started on our hire date like every other airline on the planet. I'm hopeful that they move us BACK to make our CLAS and OCC date in line with our hire date so that our pay steps are correctly realigned. I think you guys are reading into this wrong. I think it's more what I'm saying, not screwing the LUS guys. This is what Rusty Mcdaniels (APA) implied to us at the APA barbecue Jun '14.
I agree with this sentiment as well.
Unfortunately, looks like the union is trying to hose the LUS guys.
I would be pleased as punch if they would make the OCC date the same as the hire date for everyone-that would be fair and would benefit everyone as far as pay goes.
Maybe that is what they intend. I just got an altogether different message from that email.
12-14-2015 | 06:12 PM
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I agree.
The way I read the email they are trying to apply the same method to the LUS side hired between Jan 2014 and Oct 2015. Why would the company agree to move pay up? They'd much rather move it backward. I seriously can't believe the APA would be allowed to reorder our list, that's pretty messed up, and take money away from us as well. As I said earlier we got 16% from the company that first year and they didn't, do they want that money back too?
The way I read the email they are trying to apply the same method to the LUS side hired between Jan 2014 and Oct 2015. Why would the company agree to move pay up? They'd much rather move it backward. I seriously can't believe the APA would be allowed to reorder our list, that's pretty messed up, and take money away from us as well. As I said earlier we got 16% from the company that first year and they didn't, do they want that money back too?
12-14-2015 | 06:14 PM
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Not to mention it completely screws up class seniority.
Later training dates generally went senior on the LUS side, but junior on the LAA side.
The thing that got me about the email is that the union appears to already have decided that we are "paid incorrectly" as if this is all some kind of mistake.
The JCBA cannot be applied retroactively. Not by one day, not by one minute. Until someone can point to something other than the LUS contract which we were hired under, I am not willing to give an inch on this one.
Later training dates generally went senior on the LUS side, but junior on the LAA side.
The thing that got me about the email is that the union appears to already have decided that we are "paid incorrectly" as if this is all some kind of mistake.
The JCBA cannot be applied retroactively. Not by one day, not by one minute. Until someone can point to something other than the LUS contract which we were hired under, I am not willing to give an inch on this one.
12-14-2015 | 06:38 PM
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I think it would be a slam dunk. Any attempt to retroactively apply some kinf of JCBA language is completely illegal.
I would throw some money at getting APA to abide by the law.
The fact that we merged doesn't give them any right to do anything outside of the labor agreements which were in effect at the time.
I would throw some money at getting APA to abide by the law.
The fact that we merged doesn't give them any right to do anything outside of the labor agreements which were in effect at the time.
12-14-2015 | 07:32 PM
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I think it would be a slam dunk. Any attempt to retroactively apply some kinf of JCBA language is completely illegal.
I would throw some money at getting APA to abide by the law.
The fact that we merged doesn't give them any right to do anything outside of the labor agreements which were in effect at the time.
I would throw some money at getting APA to abide by the law.
The fact that we merged doesn't give them any right to do anything outside of the labor agreements which were in effect at the time.
What does it say about it? I'm on my phone and can't access it.
Who can we contact at the APA for clarification on what is being negotiated?
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