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WhipWhitaker 09-09-2019 01:06 PM


Originally Posted by Turbine1 (Post 2884045)
Atlas intends to do away with Gateway in the next CBA. If the company "generously" allows us to keep it, the pilots will be paying the millions that program costs AAWH via cuts to our compensation in other areas. You can forget about any commuter clauses. Atlas would never pay protect you because you're last JS priority on all other airlines metal and couldn't find your way to work on time. If anything you'd probably end up being terminated.

How would the company benefit in any way from having their pilots not be able to get to work, and then firing them?

Turbine1 09-09-2019 01:29 PM


Originally Posted by WhipWhitaker (Post 2884056)
How would the company benefit in any way from having their pilots not be able to get to work, and then firing them?

The company benefits because it takes the time, manpower and cost onus off the company shoulders and puts it all on the crewmember. Before Gateway for all came about in 2011 I personally know of pilots
who were disciplined and/or fired for no showing. Not one word in the contract then or policy protecting the individual. You missed a trip and didn't have a damn good reason you were done. The company wants that era to return, or for us to pay dearly to remain status quo.

WhipWhitaker 09-09-2019 01:40 PM


Originally Posted by Turbine1 (Post 2884069)
The company benefits because it takes the time, manpower and cost onus off the company shoulders and puts it all on the crewmember. Before Gateway for all came about in 2011 I personally know of pilots
who were disciplined and/or fired for no showing. Not one word in the contract then or policy protecting the individual. You missed a trip and didn't have a damn good reason you were done. The company wants that era to return, or for us to pay dearly to remain status quo.

I understand the cost benefit of getting rid of gateway for the company, I just don’t understand how taking that hard line punitive stance against commuters would benefit the company. As we have seen from last quarters results, lack of reliability has a cost associated. I don’t see how decreasing reliability and then making our shortage of crew worse by firing people for missing a commute would be a good business strategy.

iPilot 09-09-2019 01:54 PM


Originally Posted by WhipWhitaker (Post 2884076)
I understand the cost benefit of getting rid of gateway for the company, I just don’t understand how taking that hard line punitive stance against commuters would benefit the company. As we have seen from last quarters results, lack of reliability has a cost associated. I don’t see how decreasing reliability and then making our shortage of crew worse by firing people for missing a commute would be a good business strategy.

Because if they could have it their way pilots would just live in base like every other employee in the world. Commuting is a perk based on tradition, nothing more.

SunnyFL 09-09-2019 02:01 PM


Originally Posted by tengssuuciurta (Post 2883807)
Incorrect, the 737 has gateway just like every other aircraft now.

Thank you very much!

SunnyFL 09-09-2019 02:02 PM


Originally Posted by Birdsmash (Post 2883852)
Both Southern fleets are now “Gateway” based. CVG is a 737/777 base and LAX is a smaller 777 base.

Thank you very much!

City0090015 09-09-2019 02:43 PM

Atlas violates 100s of pilots with the FAA
 
Direct from the union that Atlas purposefully overflew hundreds of pilots to guarantee they wouldn’t lose those pilots to other airlines. AIMS was purposely shut off to stop the bleeding, and now if the pilots get another job, they have to disclose their violation.
“Atlas, there is a new threat to all of us. That threat is the elevated possibility for an FAA violation due to more irresponsible management in Flight Operations. Apparently, but not surprising, this time, the company has been unable to properly administer or supervise AIMS as it had guaranteed the FAA it could do during the program certification process. You see, AIMS was the essential component when Atlas got permission to operate both under FAR Parts 121 & 117. It seems, over some period of time, the flags that guard against FAR violations were taken down or ignored entirely, thereby putting at least 100 Atlas pilots’ ATP certificates in jeopardy with the FAA. For years the union has had reports of flags being ignored or taken down, but we have been unable to definitively verify these reports until now. The company, at some point, self-disclosed these hundreds of FAR violations to the FAA and only after official disclosure did it inform the individual pilots of the situation that originated with the company alone. This whole episode is just another example of the irresponsible way the Atlas corporate management conducts itself.”

Turbine1 09-09-2019 04:07 PM


Originally Posted by City0090015 (Post 2884111)
Direct from the union that Atlas purposefully overflew hundreds of pilots to guarantee they wouldn’t lose those pilots to other airlines. AIMS was purposely shut off to stop the bleeding, and now if the pilots get another job, they have to disclose their violation.
“Atlas, there is a new threat to all of us. That threat is the elevated possibility for an FAA violation due to more irresponsible management in Flight Operations. Apparently, but not surprising, this time, the company has been unable to properly administer or supervise AIMS as it had guaranteed the FAA it could do during the program certification process. You see, AIMS was the essential component when Atlas got permission to operate both under FAR Parts 121 & 117. It seems, over some period of time, the flags that guard against FAR violations were taken down or ignored entirely, thereby putting at least 100 Atlas pilots’ ATP certificates in jeopardy with the FAA. For years the union has had reports of flags being ignored or taken down, but we have been unable to definitively verify these reports until now. The company, at some point, self-disclosed these hundreds of FAR violations to the FAA and only after official disclosure did it inform the individual pilots of the situation that originated with the company alone. This whole episode is just another example of the irresponsible way the Atlas corporate management conducts itself.”


The company is not concerned with the well being of their pilots, their safety and now certificates. Just move the metal peasant, oh and sorry about that letter of investigation you'll be getting from the FAA, but we got the plane to point B didn't we?

Atlas also left their crews to relax in the Garden Hotel in Narita during a super typhoon this week when other airlines evacuated. We still have crewmembers in that hotel going on 28 hours with no power in 97 degree heat. The company hasn't bothered to check on them. Can't be losing that cheap block of rooms for our crews you know..

Word from some of our station managers is we're losing up to 9 of our most reliable 767's to ATI shortly. Looks like Amazon has reached the end of their patience.

Atrasaty 09-09-2019 05:45 PM

Atlas Air would collapse within a week without a gateway program. Period.

WhipWhitaker 09-09-2019 06:45 PM


Originally Posted by Atrasaty (Post 2884252)
Atlas Air would collapse within a week without a gateway program. Period.

Agreed completely. Southern wouldn’t last 2 days. That’s why I don’t buy that they will ever get rid of it.


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