Atlas Initial Training
11-04-2023, 05:07 PM
#261
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Joined APC: Mar 2022
Posts: 49
Originally Posted by DanUpNorth
Could you give me a little more detail please?
You need to be disciplined and work hard to go through all the materials. They don’t hold your hand like on AQP.
11-04-2023, 06:28 PM
#262
On Reserve
Joined APC: Nov 2023
Posts: 15
Originally Posted by Elevation
The training is geared towards people coming from other ACMIs still. That said, we have improved from where we were. Regarding the "We won't spoon feed you." comment, I agree that's usually said about programs that are poorly designed/run. Perhaps I can help clarify?
About 10% of candidates fail a ride, need extra training, etc. Of those most get the attention they need to eventually make it to the line as long as they do what they need to do to meet standards. One or two people per class either quit or get terminated due to failure to progress. This number is hard to pin down because what fraction of those who quit do so because they have better opportunities compared to those who know they're not going to make it? There's still a lot of variability from one instructor to the next, but several years of trying to get people onto the same page around sim profiles and classroom work have paid off. So you're not going to bust a ride over some stupid issue, but one guy may decide to put comments into your records when another wouldn't. Our training isn't as good as it needs to be, but we're not abnormally bad either. We're firmly in the "Meh, I guess I'll have tomato soup with that." bracket.
That said if you do the basics of getting any type-rating, you'll be fine. Read the material. Know limitations, flows and profiles. Don't let somebody get under your skin in the sim. Do the normal stuff, and you'll be fine.
Where we under-serve some of our people is insufficient classroom exposure to regulatory considerations, international procedures, high altitude/airspeed factors, etc. A lot of people are still struggling to find airspace/airport details when they need them, and that's on us. This is why I say we still assume people are coming over from other ACMI.
About 10% of candidates fail a ride, need extra training, etc. Of those most get the attention they need to eventually make it to the line as long as they do what they need to do to meet standards. One or two people per class either quit or get terminated due to failure to progress. This number is hard to pin down because what fraction of those who quit do so because they have better opportunities compared to those who know they're not going to make it? There's still a lot of variability from one instructor to the next, but several years of trying to get people onto the same page around sim profiles and classroom work have paid off. So you're not going to bust a ride over some stupid issue, but one guy may decide to put comments into your records when another wouldn't. Our training isn't as good as it needs to be, but we're not abnormally bad either. We're firmly in the "Meh, I guess I'll have tomato soup with that." bracket.
That said if you do the basics of getting any type-rating, you'll be fine. Read the material. Know limitations, flows and profiles. Don't let somebody get under your skin in the sim. Do the normal stuff, and you'll be fine.
Where we under-serve some of our people is insufficient classroom exposure to regulatory considerations, international procedures, high altitude/airspeed factors, etc. A lot of people are still struggling to find airspace/airport details when they need them, and that's on us. This is why I say we still assume people are coming over from other ACMI.
This makes sense, sounds good, thanks
11-04-2023, 06:30 PM
#263
On Reserve
Joined APC: Nov 2023
Posts: 15
Originally Posted by GEARPINSOUT
They basically throw you an iPad and say “The oral is in 2 weeks, good luck!”
You need to be disciplined and work hard to go through all the materials. They don’t hold your hand like on AQP.
You need to be disciplined and work hard to go through all the materials. They don’t hold your hand like on AQP.
Never had the luxury of AQP
11-04-2023, 07:23 PM
#264
In a land of unicorns
Joined APC: Apr 2014
Position: Whale FO
Posts: 6,470
Originally Posted by Elevation
The training is geared towards people coming from other ACMIs still. That said, we have improved from where we were. Regarding the "We won't spoon feed you." comment, I agree that's usually said about programs that are poorly designed/run. Perhaps I can help clarify?
About 10% of candidates fail a ride, need extra training, etc. Of those most get the attention they need to eventually make it to the line as long as they do what they need to do to meet standards. One or two people per class either quit or get terminated due to failure to progress. This number is hard to pin down because what fraction of those who quit do so because they have better opportunities compared to those who know they're not going to make it? There's still a lot of variability from one instructor to the next, but several years of trying to get people onto the same page around sim profiles and classroom work have paid off. So you're not going to bust a ride over some stupid issue, but one guy may decide to put comments into your records when another wouldn't. Our training isn't as good as it needs to be, but we're not abnormally bad either. We're firmly in the "Meh, I guess I'll have tomato soup with that." bracket.
That said if you do the basics of getting any type-rating, you'll be fine. Read the material. Know limitations, flows and profiles. Don't let somebody get under your skin in the sim. Do the normal stuff, and you'll be fine.
Where we under-serve some of our people is insufficient classroom exposure to regulatory considerations, international procedures, high altitude/airspeed factors, etc. A lot of people are still struggling to find airspace/airport details when they need them, and that's on us. This is why I say we still assume people are coming over from other ACMI.
About 10% of candidates fail a ride, need extra training, etc. Of those most get the attention they need to eventually make it to the line as long as they do what they need to do to meet standards. One or two people per class either quit or get terminated due to failure to progress. This number is hard to pin down because what fraction of those who quit do so because they have better opportunities compared to those who know they're not going to make it? There's still a lot of variability from one instructor to the next, but several years of trying to get people onto the same page around sim profiles and classroom work have paid off. So you're not going to bust a ride over some stupid issue, but one guy may decide to put comments into your records when another wouldn't. Our training isn't as good as it needs to be, but we're not abnormally bad either. We're firmly in the "Meh, I guess I'll have tomato soup with that." bracket.
That said if you do the basics of getting any type-rating, you'll be fine. Read the material. Know limitations, flows and profiles. Don't let somebody get under your skin in the sim. Do the normal stuff, and you'll be fine.
Where we under-serve some of our people is insufficient classroom exposure to regulatory considerations, international procedures, high altitude/airspeed factors, etc. A lot of people are still struggling to find airspace/airport details when they need them, and that's on us. This is why I say we still assume people are coming over from other ACMI.
11-05-2023, 04:08 PM
#265
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2017
Posts: 1,349
Originally Posted by GEARPINSOUT
They basically throw you an iPad and say “The oral is in 2 weeks, good luck!”
You need to be disciplined and work hard to go through all the materials. They don’t hold your hand like on AQP.
You need to be disciplined and work hard to go through all the materials. They don’t hold your hand like on AQP.
Getting instructors and standards on the same page is really the hard part of the program.
12-04-2023, 11:40 AM
#267
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Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 65
Originally Posted by 760runnr
anyone know how long it took from recieving the onboarding offer to getting a class date/type award?
12-04-2023, 01:32 PM
#268
On Reserve
Joined APC: Feb 2022
Posts: 15
Originally Posted by eminitrader
My interview was in July. 2 days later I had a CJO with a class date. Once accepted they send you the drug test form, pria, etc.
12-05-2023, 05:34 AM
#269
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Joined APC: Jan 2018
Posts: 65
Originally Posted by 760runnr
Thanks just curious about their whole process. Was offered an unofficial job 2 hours after the interview. The next day got the official offer. Its been almost a week so im guessing theyre just busy.
12-05-2023, 06:33 AM
#270
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2022
Posts: 144
Originally Posted by 760runnr
Thanks just curious about their whole process. Was offered an unofficial job 2 hours after the interview. The next day got the official offer. Its been almost a week so im guessing theyre just busy.
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