Atlas Air Hiring
02-08-2016 | 02:28 PM
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From: Senior Seat Cushion Tester Extraordinaire
There are lots of posts on the UPS thread that are negative, too. It's hard to believe that pilots can complain so vehemently while working for an airline where they could make $150k+ on a domestic 757 in their second year, but they do. Some of the boys in brown just really hate their job.
I guess it's all about their perspective.
For some of us, Atlas is a job that sucks and is headed down the crapper with this Southern thing.
For others, Atlas is a pretty good job that has great potential with the Southern thing, but has a really weak contract that needs to be fixed.
It's all about your perspective.
If you want a ready made career at an airline where you won't have to work to improve much of anything, Atlas probably isn't the place for you. But, if you have the fire in your belly for a good fight to help make this place a career destination, then, c'mon over. The potential is here for a great career, but you're gonna have to help us fight for it.
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I guess it's all about their perspective.
For some of us, Atlas is a job that sucks and is headed down the crapper with this Southern thing.
For others, Atlas is a pretty good job that has great potential with the Southern thing, but has a really weak contract that needs to be fixed.
It's all about your perspective.
If you want a ready made career at an airline where you won't have to work to improve much of anything, Atlas probably isn't the place for you. But, if you have the fire in your belly for a good fight to help make this place a career destination, then, c'mon over. The potential is here for a great career, but you're gonna have to help us fight for it.
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Hey Management,
Another no deal making, no favor granting, 100% CBA compliant pilot that is ALL IN!!!
02-08-2016 | 02:57 PM
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02-08-2016 | 04:00 PM
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No offense, but I barfed reading this. Take pride in your skills and what you are worth. Lots of us at Atlas want to raise the bar, not only for ACMI pay, but for the industry. We are doing crazy flying all around the world with almost zero support. Gone from our loved ones for 17 days straight. We feel we deserve to get paid more than a guy flying a 717 to Chattanooga. Welcome aboard to all. First beer is on me, but please be prepared to help us fight for a better life here.
02-08-2016 | 05:26 PM
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From: Knuckle-dragging line pilot
Shack.
Stop reading. You have no idea where some of these guys have been and what their experiences are. And yet we return here day after day to see who's going to stir the pot next.
Someone is going to hire me to fly a big friggin' airplane, fly internationally and pay me enough money to live on??? I fail to see the problem here.
Stop reading. You have no idea where some of these guys have been and what their experiences are. And yet we return here day after day to see who's going to stir the pot next.
Someone is going to hire me to fly a big friggin' airplane, fly internationally and pay me enough money to live on??? I fail to see the problem here.
I've been at Atlas more than 4 years. I was as senior as it gets on the 767 last year, before transitioning to the 747 in the summer. Didn't break $80k in 2015. Compare that to, oh, ABX or UPS or FedEx. Before you compare it to the lower-tier carriers, tell me how their scope of operations matches up to ours.
If Atlas is better than your current gig, come on over. But realize we are not paid nearly what we are worth for the work we do. And if you do come, roll up your sleeves and get to work and help us fight. And don't you ever b!tch to me about your paycheck.
02-08-2016 | 06:27 PM
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Where is the like button on this thing?!!
Those looking to come here must understand this company is NOT interested in making your life easy...they are not interested in paying you industry standard wages, etc etc...
It is up to the pilot group to force them to come to the table, and negotiate with us in good faith...and that is the fight that will be in your lap if you come.
Be prepared for that...okay, so you are on probation as a newbie. Fine. But after that first year is over, 100% contract compliance is what's required by the pilot group and certainly the Union. Your future depends on it.
Whether you use Atlas as a stepping stone or are planning to make it a home, understand that while you are here, you will have to take on the company at every turn, on a daily basis, and unlike what you are used to at the Regional you come from, from the corporate world, from the military, etc etc...
It is time for the pilot group that is already here to expect nothing but 100% compliance from EVERY pilot.
The sky isn't falling. But what some of us are trying to convey is that the fight is on -- it's on because the company is choosing that avenue going forward. It is not a fight that we the pilots want but that is what they want. So prepare accordingly, and plan accordingly.
Good luck.
Those looking to come here must understand this company is NOT interested in making your life easy...they are not interested in paying you industry standard wages, etc etc...
It is up to the pilot group to force them to come to the table, and negotiate with us in good faith...and that is the fight that will be in your lap if you come.
Be prepared for that...okay, so you are on probation as a newbie. Fine. But after that first year is over, 100% contract compliance is what's required by the pilot group and certainly the Union. Your future depends on it.
Whether you use Atlas as a stepping stone or are planning to make it a home, understand that while you are here, you will have to take on the company at every turn, on a daily basis, and unlike what you are used to at the Regional you come from, from the corporate world, from the military, etc etc...
It is time for the pilot group that is already here to expect nothing but 100% compliance from EVERY pilot.
The sky isn't falling. But what some of us are trying to convey is that the fight is on -- it's on because the company is choosing that avenue going forward. It is not a fight that we the pilots want but that is what they want. So prepare accordingly, and plan accordingly.
Good luck.
02-08-2016 | 11:45 PM
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For those that are tired: an outfit I know (can't call it an airline) is about to double the fleet and is looking for some 747-400 pilots. A sister company is looking for some classic crews too.
Schedule: 6 weeks on / 2 weeks of or 12 weeks on / 4 weeks off. First option they will pay half of the lowest fare they can find, you pay the difference if you want a better option (14 hr nonstop vs 30 hr 3 stops). Second option company pays full price of cheapest ticket available. Business class travel? What is that? Lowest cost economy with the most stops- and no ff miles. Hotels? From I-have-seen-a-lot-better to I-have-seen-a-little-worse. Duty and rest rules are merely guide lines. Upgrades don't exist. Pay? As f/o about 60k (which is way more than 4 year pay at a US 747 operator I worked for before), captains break 100k. Union is a word that does not exist, a contract is the piece of paper you sign that entails what you owe the company, and what the company might give in return.
If interested send me a pm, I'll forward your resume.
Schedule: 6 weeks on / 2 weeks of or 12 weeks on / 4 weeks off. First option they will pay half of the lowest fare they can find, you pay the difference if you want a better option (14 hr nonstop vs 30 hr 3 stops). Second option company pays full price of cheapest ticket available. Business class travel? What is that? Lowest cost economy with the most stops- and no ff miles. Hotels? From I-have-seen-a-lot-better to I-have-seen-a-little-worse. Duty and rest rules are merely guide lines. Upgrades don't exist. Pay? As f/o about 60k (which is way more than 4 year pay at a US 747 operator I worked for before), captains break 100k. Union is a word that does not exist, a contract is the piece of paper you sign that entails what you owe the company, and what the company might give in return.
If interested send me a pm, I'll forward your resume.
02-09-2016 | 01:39 AM
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From: C47 PIC/747-400 SIC
Ah, I remember this attitude well from the regionals. That's how the race to the bottom gets justified, over and over again - because it pays slightly more then where you currently are.
I've been at Atlas more than 4 years. I was as senior as it gets on the 767 last year, before transitioning to the 747 in the summer. Didn't break $80k in 2015. Compare that to, oh, ABX or UPS or FedEx. Before you compare it to the lower-tier carriers, tell me how their scope of operations matches up to ours.
If Atlas is better than your current gig, come on over. But realize we are not paid nearly what we are worth for the work we do. And if you do come, roll up your sleeves and get to work and help us fight. And don't you ever b!tch to me about your paycheck.
I've been at Atlas more than 4 years. I was as senior as it gets on the 767 last year, before transitioning to the 747 in the summer. Didn't break $80k in 2015. Compare that to, oh, ABX or UPS or FedEx. Before you compare it to the lower-tier carriers, tell me how their scope of operations matches up to ours.
If Atlas is better than your current gig, come on over. But realize we are not paid nearly what we are worth for the work we do. And if you do come, roll up your sleeves and get to work and help us fight. And don't you ever b!tch to me about your paycheck.
02-09-2016 | 04:04 AM
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Shack.
Stop reading. You have no idea where some of these guys have been and what their experiences are. And yet we return here day after day to see who's going to stir the pot next.
Someone is going to hire me to fly a big friggin' airplane, fly internationally and pay me enough money to live on??? I fail to see the problem here.
Stop reading. You have no idea where some of these guys have been and what their experiences are. And yet we return here day after day to see who's going to stir the pot next.
Someone is going to hire me to fly a big friggin' airplane, fly internationally and pay me enough money to live on??? I fail to see the problem here.
02-09-2016 | 05:33 AM
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