Hmm I wonder why?

 

The only reason it will be another ten years is we will do things the same way. To say we've been forced here is to ignore the last several years.

We can't simultaneously tell our pilots that we need to hold out for the best thing possible and at the same time say we're victims of circumstance. Victims don't scream "Hold out for more, you management stooge!".

Leadership's decisions were flawed. They knew they were flawed. They didn't want to lose face, and dug their heels in for years. Now they're corkscrewing to dodge responsibility and preserve career goals. The very same people who would speak harshly to our pilots and say "forget your feelings" are imploding in the face of negative feedback. It's quite a pitiful spectacle.

Let's NOT do the same thing. I'd recommend anyone who admits fault and provides a self assessment of what they saw go wrong get a solid shot at being in whatever organization may come after this. Anyone who can't admit they did something wrong doesn't need to be leading our pilots. People who have learned from this bring a lot to the table.

Nobody's nose gets rubbed in stuff after they admit fault and debrief the pilots. After that they have a 100% open road ahead. My recommendation, anyway. Feel free to ignore it.

 

Give this man an adult beverage on me.

 

“Forced into this situation” = Again… insanity. Same playbook, not even hidden - proven record.

We all made our choices including you hence “all”, none of us here had anything to do with your life, your choices, your priorities or anything else, did you or did you not have the opportunity to go somewhere else at some time providing you applied of course. While you may feel like an indentured servant, you have signed nothing making you stay. If no opportunity was available, it was just timing and the clock keeps moving and we have no control not your fault. Or was this all wishful thinking. I believe you have been here long enough and knew what the outcome would be. Sad, definitely - but were you really surprised. Either way the Polar buy, Southern buy… who is next? Yup, 3rd contract - we are not cooking with the same ingredients as other outfits in many ways. No vote again, what do you think the odds are. Shouldn’t surprise you at all, probably surprise you and me if we did. One more decade you are correct.

*Honestly, Best Life people bore me cuz it’s just another shadow of keeping up with the Jones garbage and it was meant to be sarcastic like Hat, Jacket and tie emblems. Still wish you the best in whatever makes your day. Grievance fest, have at it as the time is more appropriate than ever vs the past 5 years.

 

I wasn't able to post a new thread, so I'll piggyback off this one and hope for the best.

121 regional FO on reserve, never flying. I'm in a base and on an aircraft that never flies. Luck of the draw. I'm debating about jumping ship to Atlas to get a heavy type and stack flight hours just to leave to other majors upon being called.

Collective thoughts? How bad is this CBA for someone who wants in and then out promptly?

 

We'd prefer if you did us a favor and didn't bother. Nothing personal, but management is counting on low time regional guys coming here as a stepping stone, and maybe even a few getting "stuck" due to various circumstances. Again, nothing against you. If you decide that flying a widebody for well below industry standard compensation and dealing with 17 days straight on the road is that much more attractive than sticking it out at a regional, then good luck with your app. Wouldn't hurt to snag an internal rec if you know someone on property already. Also you'll want to avoid the 737 at this point. Those guys aren't flying very much. The 74 is a great airplane to fly, though the overnights aren't what they used to be pre-covid.

 

Very good actually as 1st year pay went up $30/hr and min garantee to 64 iso 50.
You’re more then welcome to join just expect the occasional Capt Grumpy to blame you for him not having a “better contract”.

Not according to a lot of people including the arbitrator.
Now what happened to the Industry Leading contract we’ve been promised for years?

 

Hi Everyone,
I got an email asking when I’m available for a phone screening, replied to it saying that i am available the whole week. Week has passed nothing yet...
No email to schedule the call and no call as well.
Is this normal? Should I reach out?
Thanks for your advice

 

This is such a tired trope of the anti union group.

The proof that the union only asked for "industry standard" is the contract comparison document that was produced. All that did was establish reasonable parameters of what is possible. Nobody shot for the moon.

Furthermore, the use of the verb "promise" is specious at best. How can the union be blamed for overwhelming negativity and trying to drive everyone away but at the same time be PROMISING INDUSTRY LEADING?

Your rhetoric puts all of your bias and prejudice on full display. You're just arrogant enough to think you won't be called out on it publicly.

 

To be clear, that 1st year pay raise is only applicable to the 747 / 777. If you're on the 767 / 737, the new contract represents a $1 increase for first year pay.