Atlas Air Hiring
02-06-2017, 06:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Stratocruzr
Don't forget your on the hook for 17 days, travel for two, one day before and after your line, so now gone for 19 from home, you really want to vx? Be gone from your home and family more???
This place not only needs better pay rates but will have to drop amount of days we are on the road. I can work less days , and make more at just about every other carrier.
This place not only needs better pay rates but will have to drop amount of days we are on the road. I can work less days , and make more at just about every other carrier.
Cousteau
(Pitchers and Catchers report in 8 days, Go M's!)
02-06-2017, 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by DC8DRIVER
Tell you what Kerizbro, c'mon on over and interview armed with your extensive research and try out Atlas for a while.
Don't know why I'm even bothering to reply to you, but maybe it'll be informative for anyone else who wants to try to get a job here without reading this whole thread and heeding our warnings. Most Atlas pilots, including me, are optimistic, happy people who are simply trying to warn fellow pilots against making a bad decision. It doesn't make sense for many of us to get hired at another airline, advanced age being chief among the reasons, so the argument about "why don't you just move on" simply doesn't make sense for our situation. BUT, every new pilot that gets hired at Atlas is more than qualified to get hired at a better airline. If it is simply the world wide travel or the big shiny jets that you want, go to Kalitta. They do the same thing that we do, but are paid substantially more.
Most of us Atlas pilots who have been posting here for the past several years started out being very positive about the job and the company. We rooted for new hires and bent over backwards to help out applicants. Then, last spring, Atlas abruptly terminated our section six contract negotiations and announced that they were going to force an amalgamation with Southern Air's pitiful contract. If the company is successful, Atlas pilots would probably be looking at a pay cut. Management has announced that they intend to fight with us for "years" over this. This is current the situation here.
Meanwhile, many other carriers who have historically been extremely underpaid, have signed contracts that far surpass our current contract. All the majors airlines, Jet Blue, Allegiant, Southwest, ABX, Kalitta, and many others pay much more for flying smaller aircraft on far less complicated and brutal trips. There is also a higher risk of a training failure at Atlas due to their "non-standard" training system.
Last, with the Amazon purchase of a large share of our stock, the future of Atlas is perilously uncertain. There are rumors of breaking apart the airline into Amazon, DHL, and charter segments. There are rumors of the 767 operation being sold to ABX. There are rumors of FedEx buying the long range routes and planes but not taking the pilots. It is becoming pretty clear that Atlas management is dragging out the contract talks for some sort of fire sale. If you had done your due diligence, you would have discovered that the Atlas executive management team divided 66 million dollars among themselves last year and simultaneously secured significant golden parachutes for "some reason".
Personally, my faith in the leadership of Atlas has completely disintegrated and I believe that they are only in this game for themselves.
I don't have any idea about what your current status is and I don't really care. But if you are trying to improve your situation, there are far, far better options than Atlas.
But, yeah, give Atlas a try. Just don't say you weren't warned.
8
Don't know why I'm even bothering to reply to you, but maybe it'll be informative for anyone else who wants to try to get a job here without reading this whole thread and heeding our warnings. Most Atlas pilots, including me, are optimistic, happy people who are simply trying to warn fellow pilots against making a bad decision. It doesn't make sense for many of us to get hired at another airline, advanced age being chief among the reasons, so the argument about "why don't you just move on" simply doesn't make sense for our situation. BUT, every new pilot that gets hired at Atlas is more than qualified to get hired at a better airline. If it is simply the world wide travel or the big shiny jets that you want, go to Kalitta. They do the same thing that we do, but are paid substantially more.
Most of us Atlas pilots who have been posting here for the past several years started out being very positive about the job and the company. We rooted for new hires and bent over backwards to help out applicants. Then, last spring, Atlas abruptly terminated our section six contract negotiations and announced that they were going to force an amalgamation with Southern Air's pitiful contract. If the company is successful, Atlas pilots would probably be looking at a pay cut. Management has announced that they intend to fight with us for "years" over this. This is current the situation here.
Meanwhile, many other carriers who have historically been extremely underpaid, have signed contracts that far surpass our current contract. All the majors airlines, Jet Blue, Allegiant, Southwest, ABX, Kalitta, and many others pay much more for flying smaller aircraft on far less complicated and brutal trips. There is also a higher risk of a training failure at Atlas due to their "non-standard" training system.
Last, with the Amazon purchase of a large share of our stock, the future of Atlas is perilously uncertain. There are rumors of breaking apart the airline into Amazon, DHL, and charter segments. There are rumors of the 767 operation being sold to ABX. There are rumors of FedEx buying the long range routes and planes but not taking the pilots. It is becoming pretty clear that Atlas management is dragging out the contract talks for some sort of fire sale. If you had done your due diligence, you would have discovered that the Atlas executive management team divided 66 million dollars among themselves last year and simultaneously secured significant golden parachutes for "some reason".
Personally, my faith in the leadership of Atlas has completely disintegrated and I believe that they are only in this game for themselves.
I don't have any idea about what your current status is and I don't really care. But if you are trying to improve your situation, there are far, far better options than Atlas.
But, yeah, give Atlas a try. Just don't say you weren't warned.
8
So those on the outside (mgmt and trolls alike) claiming to be 'know-it-alls', please heed to 8's insights. Whether you perceive or derive angst in our tone (which it sounds like you do), its both realistic and justified. Be careful with you judgment and in casting aspersions. This is not the right time or the right place...
02-06-2017, 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Stratocruzr
Don't forget your on the hook for 17 days, travel for two, one day before and after your line, so now gone for 19 from home, you really want to vx? Be gone from your home and family more???
This place not only needs better pay rates but will have to drop amount of days we are on the road. I can work less days , and make more at just about every other carrier.
This place not only needs better pay rates but will have to drop amount of days we are on the road. I can work less days , and make more at just about every other carrier.
02-07-2017, 09:11 AM
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Posts: 611
We just had a union leader (in the Exco/MEC) , who is 58 years old, leave for UPS this past month. Six months ago, we had a Negotiating Committee member leave for UPS.
That should give you an indication of how bad it is here.
You do know the regionals are hiring, right?
That should give you an indication of how bad it is here.
You do know the regionals are hiring, right?
02-07-2017, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by DC8DRIVER
Then, last spring, Atlas abruptly terminated our section six contract negotiations and announced that they were going to force an amalgamation with Southern Air's pitiful contract. If the company is successful, Atlas pilots would probably be looking at a pay cut. Management has announced that they intend to fight with us for "years" over this. This is current the situation here.
8
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8 and others who are long time posters on this board have good advice regarding Atlas. Folks here shouldn't be so quick to discount their well informed advice. Think of it as 2 guys sitting at a bar having drinks at F St, Jetlag Club, the Irish Village or your favorite watering hole. If you take the time to read through their historical posts and disregard your emotions you'll see they're simply trying to make sure you know what you're getting into.
Atlas' 2016 fourth quarter results are due to be released on 23 Feb. You might do well to pay close attention to that earnings call. Read between the lines and ask yourself what was NOT mentioned. That's just as important as what is discussed.
02-07-2017, 02:09 PM
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The toxic Atlas environment just took another step backwards.
Today, Atlas pilots are getting sued by our bosses because they don't want to continue section 6 contract talks that legally started before the acquisition of Southern Air. I don't care how they try to spin it, bottom line is they want to force an arbitration to prevent me from voting on our next contract. Are they that afraid of our vote and desire for an industry STANDARD contract? Yes they are because they want to throw a little money at the problem, put lipstick on the pig of a contract and not fix the major issues we have problems with.
Well, our pilots are already voting... with their feet.
Not cool!
Cousteau
Today, Atlas pilots are getting sued by our bosses because they don't want to continue section 6 contract talks that legally started before the acquisition of Southern Air. I don't care how they try to spin it, bottom line is they want to force an arbitration to prevent me from voting on our next contract. Are they that afraid of our vote and desire for an industry STANDARD contract? Yes they are because they want to throw a little money at the problem, put lipstick on the pig of a contract and not fix the major issues we have problems with.
Well, our pilots are already voting... with their feet.
Not cool!
Cousteau
02-07-2017, 03:18 PM
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Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: 767 CA
Posts: 217
Originally Posted by Cousteau135
The toxic Atlas environment just took another step backwards.
Today, Atlas pilots are getting sued by our bosses because they don't want to continue section 6 contract talks that legally started before the acquisition of Southern Air. I don't care how they try to spin it, bottom line is they want to force an arbitration to prevent me from voting on our next contract. Are they that afraid of our vote and desire for an industry STANDARD contract? Yes they are because they want to throw a little money at the problem, put lipstick on the pig of a contract and not fix the major issues we have problems with.
Well, our pilots are already voting... with their feet.
Not cool!
Cousteau
Today, Atlas pilots are getting sued by our bosses because they don't want to continue section 6 contract talks that legally started before the acquisition of Southern Air. I don't care how they try to spin it, bottom line is they want to force an arbitration to prevent me from voting on our next contract. Are they that afraid of our vote and desire for an industry STANDARD contract? Yes they are because they want to throw a little money at the problem, put lipstick on the pig of a contract and not fix the major issues we have problems with.
Well, our pilots are already voting... with their feet.
Not cool!
Cousteau
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