I posted the below last October. Doesn't quite support your ill informed post. BTW, first year guarantee is just 50 hours, if you train on work days, you lose pay, if you take vacation, you lose pay...

Here's my numbers:
2013 (11 months)- $44,171.14 total gross including $7,453.46 above guarantee (zero VX trips)

2014- $72,554.18, $10,587.04 (zero VX)

2015- $106,891.49, $38,510.95 (VX as available)

2016 YTD- $81,969.51, $27,080.95 (ZERO VX since August)

I generally try to bid lines valued at 75-80 hours, thus have cushion of hours above guarantee. Unless they reduce the value of my award. For example, if on reserve and due to start at 0001z, but they assign a trip which reports at 2000z the same day, you've just lost 20 hours of CRT (roughly four hours of pay).

 

Wow that is a lot different than some of the other line pilots and other pilots here a few pages back. I'm guessing Vx is overtime?

My question is, I was informed by a check airmen that you guys get rig pay. Which would mean if you fly a 17 day trip you get 80hrs of pay even if you only fly 70hrs?

 

Each month you get paid the greater of:

62 hours (50 first year).

Flight pay credit.

Time away from base divided by 4.95. I keep in mind that your fist and last days are not complete days. So if you leave a noon on day one and get back at noon on day 17, your min pay for the month will be 77.6 hours.

How this really shakes out depends on equipment, base and the current scheduling fad.

 

You will never see 17 days of Rig unless you start at 0001Z Day one and end at 2359Z Day 17. Lets say your trip is split into two in a 30 day pattern. First day you start at 1700Z and end at 0500Z day 7, 5 days off and start day 8 at 1700Z again and finish day 17 at 1200Z. These are realistic patterns and your 17 day trip is paid at less then 14 days CRT or approx 63 to 67 hours depending on the actual times. (sorry, I could do the actual math but a little lazy right now. Getting ready for the Super Bowl.)

But maybe those guys were counting the $2400 of imputed income that you are taxed on for air travel. (about $400 - $600 in taxes depending on bracket and deductions) Getting to ANC from anywhere is expensive especially because travel will not book your gateway tickets until the last minute. Travel's policy because they know you trip will change. Best I can usually get is a ticket issued 4 days out if I'm on a DHL express trip.

Bottom line, unless you VX, outbase, or are invlolentarily extended on reserve, you'll never see 80 hours from rig.

Cheers! Go Falcons (i'm a Falcon Fan for the day)

Cousteau

 

... or when they arbitrarily change your schedule to a lesser value trip, you lose pay, if you are sick, you lose pay ...

The reality is not nearly as good as the sales pitch.

8

 

Tell you what Kerizbro, c'mon on over and interview armed with your extensive research and try out Atlas for a while.

Don't know why I'm even bothering to reply to you, but maybe it'll be informative for anyone else who wants to try to get a job here without reading this whole thread and heeding our warnings. Most Atlas pilots, including me, are optimistic, happy people who are simply trying to warn fellow pilots against making a bad decision. It doesn't make sense for many of us to get hired at another airline, advanced age being chief among the reasons, so the argument about "why don't you just move on" simply doesn't make sense for our situation. BUT, every new pilot that gets hired at Atlas is more than qualified to get hired at a better airline. If it is simply the world wide travel or the big shiny jets that you want, go to Kalitta. They do the same thing that we do, but are paid substantially more.

Most of us Atlas pilots who have been posting here for the past several years started out being very positive about the job and the company. We rooted for new hires and bent over backwards to help out applicants. Then, last spring, Atlas abruptly terminated our section six contract negotiations and announced that they were going to force an amalgamation with Southern Air's pitiful contract. If the company is successful, Atlas pilots would probably be looking at a pay cut. Management has announced that they intend to fight with us for "years" over this. This is current the situation here.

Meanwhile, many other carriers who have historically been extremely underpaid, have signed contracts that far surpass our current contract. All the majors airlines, Jet Blue, Allegiant, Southwest, ABX, Kalitta, and many others pay much more for flying smaller aircraft on far less complicated and brutal trips. There is also a higher risk of a training failure at Atlas due to their "non-standard" training system.

Last, with the Amazon purchase of a large share of our stock, the future of Atlas is perilously uncertain. There are rumors of breaking apart the airline into Amazon, DHL, and charter segments. There are rumors of the 767 operation being sold to ABX. There are rumors of FedEx buying the long range routes and planes but not taking the pilots. It is becoming pretty clear that Atlas management is dragging out the contract talks for some sort of fire sale. If you had done your due diligence, you would have discovered that the Atlas executive management team divided 66 million dollars among themselves last year and simultaneously secured significant golden parachutes for "some reason".

Personally, my faith in the leadership of Atlas has completely disintegrated and I believe that they are only in this game for themselves.

I don't have any idea about what your current status is and I don't really care. But if you are trying to improve your situation, there are far, far better options than Atlas.

But, yeah, give Atlas a try. Just don't say you weren't warned.

8

 

Those numbers are straight off my pay stubs, no rounding or embellishment. Yes, VX is volunteering for Off (X) day flying. Our "rig" is 4.85 hours pay per 24 hours (24 divided by 4.95), so you cannot simply multiply by work days. As a very simple example, assume a trip which reports on day one at 1500 and finishes day 2 at 1500. This would be two work days, but would be paid just one (24/4.95=4.85).

 

Don't forget your on the hook for 17 days, travel for two, one day before and after your line, so now gone for 19 from home, you really want to vx? Be gone from your home and family more???

This place not only needs better pay rates but will have to drop amount of days we are on the road. I can work less days , and make more at just about every other carrier.

 

+1!!! An Atlas pilot that gets it!

Cousteau
(Pitchers and Catchers report in 8 days, Go M's!)

 

Spot on 8!! Some guys think this is a game but its not. Insomuch as we operate as a brotherhood - which is good, realistically, its also a livelihood. And in fair exchange for our efforts and commitment - both prior and current - we should be fairly compensated and at a minimum, appreciated. And that's something definitely worth fighting for - ALL IN!!!

So those on the outside (mgmt and trolls alike) claiming to be 'know-it-alls', please heed to 8's insights. Whether you perceive or derive angst in our tone (which it sounds like you do), its both realistic and justified. Be careful with you judgment and in casting aspersions. This is not the right time or the right place...