Atlas Air Hiring
02-09-2017, 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by CrimsonEclipse
(qualifier: I have no intention of going to Atlas or any other heavy metal night cargo)
Originally Posted by CrimsonEclipse
Frankly I though I was going to get flamed at.
I simply lack the stomach for that much drama.
I simply lack the stomach for that much drama.
What motivation do you really have for stirring up such antagonism at a company that you will never have anything to do with?
I'm in the final years of a three airline career and I'm doing my best to help others pilots make good decisions and help my fellow crew members win the biggest battle of our professional lives. We know so much better than you ever will what whipsawing is. We've lived it for decades and we have a strategy in place to defeat it. You would know this if you had taken the time to read this whole thread. DHL and the Amazon flying have nothing in common with FedEx other than we both fly jets. If you had a real interest in our situation, you could have easily taught yourself about things here prior to displaying such a lack of understanding. And had you entered this thread with that knowledge and reasonable comments, we would have responded with constructive replies. Instead you came to harass.
To answer your original question: There are 1500 pilots with 1500 different answers to your question. Many are leaving. 34 last month alone. Many have interviews and/or class dates or pending class dates. Many more are trying very hard to leave. For lots of pilots, it's too late to leave (i.e. 62 years+). Some can't leave for some reason. And a very, very few like it here or don't care what happens. But, according to recent votes and surveys, 99.7 of us agree that things here suck and want to fight for a better contract whether we are leaving or not. But it's going to be a long fight that is fraught with difficulties and hazards for new hires. Furloughs, training problems, low pay, weak contractual protections, and work rule violations are epidemic. Our goal on this thread is to warn potential Atlas applicants about these issues and encourage them to stay away. THAT is how professional pilots work to help each other.
Maybe someday, you'll understand.
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02-10-2017, 12:09 AM
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Originally Posted by DC8DRIVER
You have no intention of going to Atlas, expect to get flamed with an antagonistic question, and you lack the stomach for the drama, yet you come onto this thread and sling insults at us for trying to help fellow pilots avoid making a huge career mistake.
What motivation do you really have for stirring up such antagonism at a company that you will never have anything to do with?
I'm in the final years of a three airline career and I'm doing my best to help others pilots make good decisions and help my fellow crew members win the biggest battle of our professional lives. We know so much better than you ever will what whipsawing is. We've lived it for decades and we have a strategy in place to defeat it. You would know this if you had taken the time to read this whole thread. DHL and the Amazon flying have nothing in common with FedEx other than we both fly jets. If you had a real interest in our situation, you could have easily taught yourself about things here prior to displaying such a lack of understanding. And had you entered this thread with that knowledge and reasonable comments, we would have responded with constructive replies. Instead you came to harass.
To answer your original question: There are 1500 pilots with 1500 different answers to your question. Many are leaving. 34 last month alone. Many have interviews and/or class dates or pending class dates. Many more are trying very hard to leave. For lots of pilots, it's too late to leave (i.e. 62 years+). Some can't leave for some reason. And a very, very few like it here or don't care what happens. But, according to recent votes and surveys, 99.7 of us agree that things here suck and want to fight for a better contract whether we are leaving or not. But it's going to be a long fight that is fraught with difficulties and hazards for new hires. Furloughs, training problems, low pay, weak contractual protections, and work rule violations are epidemic. Our goal on this thread is to warn potential Atlas applicants about these issues and encourage them to stay away. THAT is how professional pilots work to help each other.
Maybe someday, you'll understand.
8
What motivation do you really have for stirring up such antagonism at a company that you will never have anything to do with?
I'm in the final years of a three airline career and I'm doing my best to help others pilots make good decisions and help my fellow crew members win the biggest battle of our professional lives. We know so much better than you ever will what whipsawing is. We've lived it for decades and we have a strategy in place to defeat it. You would know this if you had taken the time to read this whole thread. DHL and the Amazon flying have nothing in common with FedEx other than we both fly jets. If you had a real interest in our situation, you could have easily taught yourself about things here prior to displaying such a lack of understanding. And had you entered this thread with that knowledge and reasonable comments, we would have responded with constructive replies. Instead you came to harass.
To answer your original question: There are 1500 pilots with 1500 different answers to your question. Many are leaving. 34 last month alone. Many have interviews and/or class dates or pending class dates. Many more are trying very hard to leave. For lots of pilots, it's too late to leave (i.e. 62 years+). Some can't leave for some reason. And a very, very few like it here or don't care what happens. But, according to recent votes and surveys, 99.7 of us agree that things here suck and want to fight for a better contract whether we are leaving or not. But it's going to be a long fight that is fraught with difficulties and hazards for new hires. Furloughs, training problems, low pay, weak contractual protections, and work rule violations are epidemic. Our goal on this thread is to warn potential Atlas applicants about these issues and encourage them to stay away. THAT is how professional pilots work to help each other.
Maybe someday, you'll understand.
8
You have a lot of good information, useful information. But they way you are trying to talk down to me is the point.
We know better than you ever will
Maybe some day, you'll understand.
really?
Is this how you talk to your crew members?
It's not the message, that's loud and clear, and I truly hope it gets better for you guys.
But frankly, your attitude sucks.
02-10-2017, 01:47 AM
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[QUOTE=CrimsonEclipse;2298599]The Parts that I've high lighted (bolded) are proving my point.
You have a lot of good information, useful information. But they way you are trying to talk down to me is the point.
We know better than you ever will
Maybe some day, you'll understand.
really?
Is this how you talk to your crew members?
It's not the message, that's loud and clear, and I truly hope it gets better for you
. I appreciate 8's and the others warnings in big letters STAY AWAY !!!, that house is burning. If you want the 747 go to K4, cheers out, or UPS : )
You have a lot of good information, useful information. But they way you are trying to talk down to me is the point.
We know better than you ever will
Maybe some day, you'll understand.
really?
Is this how you talk to your crew members?
It's not the message, that's loud and clear, and I truly hope it gets better for you
. I appreciate 8's and the others warnings in big letters STAY AWAY !!!, that house is burning. If you want the 747 go to K4, cheers out, or UPS : )
02-10-2017, 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by boeingdvr
That's interesting because corporate was closed yesterday due to the snowstorm.
I don't have agenda with the long post. Just trying to say that Atlas has been, and will be a great place to work when they get through this contract. I just doesn't work for me right now.
02-10-2017, 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by CrimsonEclipse
Is this how you talk to your crew members?
Fellow crew members at Atlas don't claim to know more than they do.
The sign of a professional pilot is knowing what they know and what they don't know. I certainly know nothing about whatever you fly whether it is crop dusting or pipeline patrol or whatever it is that you do, so I do not go to those threads and pontificate about why you do what you do and why you say what you say.
We'll now get back to the business of this thread and help fellow pilots make informed decisions about Atlas.
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02-10-2017, 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by DC8DRIVER
No. Just to you.
Fellow crew members at Atlas don't claim to know more than they do.
The sign of a professional pilot is knowing what they know and what they don't know. I certainly know nothing about whatever you fly whether it is crop dusting or pipeline patrol or whatever it is that you do, so I do not go to those threads and pontificate about why you do what you do and why you say what you say.
We'll now get back to the business of this thread and help fellow pilots make informed decisions about Atlas.
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Fellow crew members at Atlas don't claim to know more than they do.
The sign of a professional pilot is knowing what they know and what they don't know. I certainly know nothing about whatever you fly whether it is crop dusting or pipeline patrol or whatever it is that you do, so I do not go to those threads and pontificate about why you do what you do and why you say what you say.
We'll now get back to the business of this thread and help fellow pilots make informed decisions about Atlas.
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You must be a thrill to fly with.
02-11-2017, 05:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Falcondrivr
I wrote that yesterday. She called Wednesday. I'm not sure why you're sceptical. Pm me and we'll talk on the phone and I'll play you her voicemail. Are you on a trip? It's Friday morning on the East Coast US as I write this.
I don't have agenda with the long post. Just trying to say that Atlas has been, and will be a great place to work when they get through this contract. I just doesn't work for me right now.
I don't have agenda with the long post. Just trying to say that Atlas has been, and will be a great place to work when they get through this contract. I just doesn't work for me right now.
Good luck
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