^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^

...is what factual data looks like, and how to say it.

 

Thanks very much. Keep at it....as will I.

 

Anyone from the Dec 2nd interview group - PM me for info.

 

Earnings report out******

They highlight record revenue year over year.....

Very quietly mention addition of southern air later. In addition to:

-increase liabilities
-alarming substantial decrease in cash
-20 million in mx apparently pushed into 2017 Q1....their words imply.
-overall decrease in revenue per block hour almost completely across the board.

Here's a thought. Negotiate an industry standard contract= substantial decrease in training costs after a year, sustainable expansion, increased revenue with the ability to actually pilot the existing fleet aircraft.

Mngmnt response.....court papers.

 

Additionally on investor call "no anticipated increases in pay for 2017"
This will be a long road for a new contract.

FULL RETRO + INTREST

 

Hey y'all. I was with a 76 CA a few weeks back talking about Atlas and I have some questions I'd like to throw at ya.

1) I've heard new hire FO's have it hard at Atlas (long training delays, poor pay due to taxes, not a lot of trips.) is the issue with that part of the contract disputes or just general lack of flying and overhiring?

2) The CA told me his QoL is great as far as scheduling, trips, and earning potential is concerned. I know he's been with the company for a long time but I am curious how long it would take an FO to be comfortable at Atlas?

3) Getting into Atlas this very second would be either a great move if a contract is put together as a new hire today would be at the front of the wave during good flying and potentially more hiring; or the company will continue to plunge into further chaos (by your posts it seems like everything is coming apart at the seams). Would you recommend Atlas to someone at this very moment?

Currently driving an RJ for Endeavor Air and I am shopping around for future prospects because getting hired at a legacy carrier is a dog and pony show at the moment.

 

No one is really recommending to come to Atlas at this point for the aforementioned reasons in the last several pages of posts in this thread. If you were to decide to come here, and you were to be furloughed or things did come apart at the seams, you will not be able to say you were not warned.

OTOH, you are apparently an optimist. Did I understand that correctly? That being said, I too am of the opinion that Atlas is a pure gamble and I am gambling with my career that we will get a decent enough of a contract for me to stay......EVENTUALLY.

 

IMHO, that ship has sailed and the head of the wave was back with the 2010 - 2013 new hires. Even if we were to hire and staff the 19 additional Amazon 767's, I'm not sure that today's new hire would see a quick upgrade on the 767 in the next few years like we are seeing today. Of course the company is really trying to get us to leave for greener pastures. Peering into my crystal ball we see Mr Bill Flynn stating at today's 4Qtr earnings call that he doesn't see an increase in pilot costs in 2017... translation: the company will continue to plunge into further chaos in 2017.

So would I consider recommending Atlas right now? No. I'm a 74 Captain seriously considering giving up my seniority and moving on. If that doesn't answer your question, then apply and roll the bones. Once on board, keep your head down during your probationary year and get the Union/Captain/or crew involved when the company tries to pressure you into voluntarily violating the contract or regulatory guidance.

Finally, do you have the PIC and other intangibles required to be competitive with carriers that have more enlightened management labor relations? If not, stay at Endeavor for a little while longer and make yourself competitive. If you come here, it's very possible you'll be stuck in the expansion equipment or be offered a position with SA and flounder there for a long time on substandard pay and work rules.

On a lighter note, 2 days until SEA spring training games begin! Good luck in your future WhiskeyKilo.

Cousteau

 

1)Ran into a 767 Captain on a flight to CVG this week. They upgraded in September and still haven't completed OE. It's not contract disputes or lack of flying, it's just Atlas ineptness.

2)I'm an eight year Captain on the -400. Before upgrading last year I was bidding single digits and had control over what days I worked and where the first couple days of my trips went. (I look at it as there is a 50/50 chance the legs will remain as published after the first leg as so by the fifth leg who knows where I'll be.) Now I'm just a few numbers up from the bottom of the Captain list in base and I will be lucky if my first full year of Captain pay beats what I was making as a 727 Captain TWENTY years ago.

 

I recently retired from the USAF Reserve so I no longer have that supplemental income to augment my Atlas pay. Now, as a five year 747 FO, I'm back to the pay I made as a Captain on Active Duty TEN YEARS AGO (not even looking at taxes and inflation). I can bid #3 or 4 in base and am exactly 50% seniority on the pilot list. You can bet I'm very mobile and looking to start over somewhere else.