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Old 03-01-2017 | 07:50 AM
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But the FW guys will still be on a pay scale that's higher than Southern's.

To think that SAI management was going to try to use FW to drive wages down for SAI pilots.

The SACG, actively courted the FW pilots, to join us fraternally and were roundly told to GFY, and back-stabbed into the bargain!

Now they are warmly welcomed, into the fold, get better treatment, raises and better work rules than all the Southern pilots!

SAI pilots = "The Biggest Loser(s). This sux, SAI pilots haven't done anything to deserve this!

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Old 03-01-2017 | 11:25 AM
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Never in 1224's power to either save or ruin FW. What evaporating, already paper thin, SA air freight margins didn't do, staggering losses on the Tam fiasco did. Nearly unanimous, pilots wanting no part of SAI, that much is true.

Hauling for Air Haiti with the 1st 707 replacing C46's. A decade's ups & downs dissolving into a stock charade, buyer precipitated shut down. Rebirth as DC8 ad hoc bidder. 60's traded up for 70's, becoming later one of the very first 76 factory freighter lessors for LAN. Earning it a DOJ raid for fixing flower contracts on that customer's surcharge practices. A corrosion corner regular, local legend of sorts, detained on her way to the ramp; demanding to see badges only to find out the FBI t-shirt squad didn't actually have any. Port in the storm for so many. Alumni serving nearly all the major players both here and beyond. No real boo boo's unless you include the GSO cowl bang, with an ASI aboard. #4 was it? Where did he end up again? Oh yeah, never mind The page has turned on pint sized, heavy non-sked ops..and it's time.

Just don't label the remaining few offered a new hire spot for something they didn't do. None of them had a hand in any of this. I know because I did.
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Old 03-01-2017 | 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Globemaster2827
And now they're interviewing for spots on the bottom of our list, gatewaying to ANC for a boat load of imputed income.... And $1600 a month for four months. And they're in a union anyways... They'll be flying North of Florida now!
Actually, they aren't going to ANC, but rather CVG. Eighteen start tomorrow on the 767.
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Old 03-02-2017 | 03:59 AM
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Originally Posted by WTFover
Actually, they aren't going to ANC, but rather CVG. Eighteen start tomorrow on the 767.
That makes more sense and they probably won't get 4 months of $1600 a month since they're going through short courses.
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Old 03-02-2017 | 07:05 AM
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New seniority list out today shows the pilot group shrunk for the 3rd month in a row, despite hiring.
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Old 03-02-2017 | 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by CandlerKid
New seniority list out today shows the pilot group shrunk for the 3rd month in a row, despite hiring.
I'm curious to see how management spins that little nugget to investors.
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Old 03-02-2017 | 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by AtlasPilot1
I'm curious to see how management spins that little nugget to investors.
It's not a big deal until they have to explain airplanes not moving. In my opinion that won't happen until the 4rth quarter, but they're making what will happen then worse every day...
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Old 03-02-2017 | 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Globemaster2827
And now they're interviewing for spots on the bottom of our list, gatewaying to ANC for a boat load of imputed income.... And $1600 a month for four months. And they're in a union anyways... They'll be flying North of Florida now!
But if you lived in Alaska... no imputed income; for the right person it could be a great opportunity to spend some time in the 49th state!
However if you're committed to living elsewhere, I can see how it'd be a major inconvenience!
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Old 03-03-2017 | 04:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Globemaster2827
It's not a big deal until they have to explain airplanes not moving. In my opinion that won't happen until the 4rth quarter, but they're making what will happen then worse every day...
I think you're miscalculating the problem here. We may be a few pilots fat currently on the 767 fleet, but at this current rate I think we will be short by mid-year, which is when we are when we are slated to begin adding 1.2 Amazon 76s per month to the operation. That's about 24 ADDITIONAL pilots needed per month for 18 straight months.

There is such a disconnect between upper and middle management right now. The middle managers know there's a crisis, and that staffing the Amazon flights will not happen without growth in pilot numbers OR cutting ties with some of our other partners. The latter is my guess. Either way, for upper management to stubbornly deny the issue and lie to investors that we don't and won't have a staffing issue is blatant unethical behavior. Shocker right?


Not fulfilling promises to other customers, and ultimately losing revenue, just to fulfill the promises made to Amazon- all for the sake of Union busting- is why this management team will lead us to failure.
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Old 03-03-2017 | 04:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Whiplash6
I think you're miscalculating the problem here. We may be a few pilots fat currently on the 767 fleet, but at this current rate I think we will be short by mid-year, which is when we are when we are slated to begin adding 1.2 Amazon 76s per month to the operation. That's about 24 ADDITIONAL pilots needed per month for 18 straight months.

There is such a disconnect between upper and middle management right now. The middle managers know there's a crisis, and that staffing the Amazon flights will not happen without growth in pilot numbers OR cutting ties with some of our other partners. The latter is my guess. Either way, for upper management to stubbornly deny the issue and lie to investors that we don't and won't have a staffing issue is blatant unethical behavior. Shocker right?


Not fulfilling promises to other customers, and ultimately losing revenue, just to fulfill the promises made to Amazon- all for the sake of Union busting- is why this management team will lead us to failure.
That'd make sense if we're getting 1.2 airplanes per month. I'm calculating 1 per month. 20% more airplanes would mean an additional 52 pilots they need this year or 5.2 extra a month to be retained. I was calculating 269 they needed as of yesterday so that'd be 321 if you're right. We lost several more yesterday - 1 of them a good friend... I think attrition will be more than February this month.
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