That is NOT true! The Morbach Werwolf has been taken care of and annual ceremonies are carried out to insure that it will not return.

You will face many demons in Morbach but the werewolf is not one of them.

Now quit trying to scare the new guys.

01-29-2013 | 12:34 PM

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chip1

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Every year we are out of a contract the company pays the pilot group more in profit sharing. Its in the contract, look it up. At least there is some incentive (maybe) to get a contract done.

01-29-2013 | 12:51 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jetjock6

The original post that I was responding to was referring to pay rates 5 years from now at various airlines. I know that we are 1.5 years into a 5 year contract. With that being said, there is no way we will have a new contract 5 years from now. Look how many years it took to get this one.

I hear this all of the time on the line. It all depends on us. There is no way a pilot group could end up with a pay raise during bankruptcy either, until American Airlines pilots accomplished just that.

The pilots of American Airlines were willing to stand up for themselves when the time was right. They were organized, determined, and willing to do whatever it took to accomplish their goals.

We only get what we demand and negotiate. Early-opener negotiations start in 3.5 years and some of us are preparing now.

As far as my previous comparison, I was comparing Atlas end of contract pay versus Delta, United, and American end of contract pay. These end of contract dates all fall within a year or so of each other.

01-29-2013 | 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Talon1011

The above may or may not hold true depending on where you live. I live in the hinterlands of Northwestern Montana and quite often I travel on a day off just to have enough rest before starting a pairing no matter where it begins. I'm not complaining. It's well worth it to work here. I'm just pointing out that if what day someone begins work is more important than the flying they do and the adventure of this business then I can already see dark clouds on the horizon for them.

Talon1011, been through this thread and understand gateway, but just want to clarify that when you mention commuting you are referring to a company paid full fare ticket to your base, and not to jumpseating on your own dime. Thanks man.

01-29-2013 | 02:31 PM

#5545

jetjock6

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Jesus Christ on roller skates! I was simply answering the question about why the rates didn't match what's posted on APC and I've set off a contract firestorm.

Check-fire and lets get back on topic.

01-29-2013 | 03:02 PM

#5546

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Originally Posted by bigmacdaddy

Our commuting NEVER means jumpseating...that word does not exist in the Atlas lifestyle. Unless you need to travel for your own reasons...but never for getting to, from, or within your assignment at Atlas.

BTW, once you get to your base, or elsewhere if you are beginning or ending an assignment, you are entitled to a (company-paid) hotel, and if you are on R2 (Reserve away from home), you are also entitled to per diem, and "CRT" (Calculated Rig Time).

So...here is the bottom line...

No crashpads at Atlas, and
No jumpseating at Atlas to get to or from work assignment.

01-29-2013 | 03:10 PM

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Thank you 74, that confirms my understanding. This is a big big plus for Atlas for a guy who doesn't live within a drive of any airline base. There are other very significant plus points, but this is right up there.

01-29-2013 | 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by 744driver

But, as I understand it, don't those tickets and hotels count towards earnings for tax purposes?

01-29-2013 | 04:25 PM

#5549

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Originally Posted by Lobaeux

But, as I understand it, don't those tickets and hotels count towards earnings for tax purposes?

I'm not flying for Atlas yet, but I've read this thread at least 3 times. It is counted as imputed income so you would pay tax on that amount.

01-29-2013 | 04:32 PM

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captainv

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Originally Posted by Lobaeux

But, as I understand it, don't those tickets and hotels count towards earnings for tax purposes?

If you start in your crew base, yes. If you start anywhere else, no.

Depends on the base. On the 767, you'll rarely pass through JFK. CVG/LAX 767, you may well begin/end every trip in base.