Talk to the training and standards committee. Your assumptions are ALL incorrect. Your assuming they failed due to the "new events". Did it ever occur to you that they didn't fail those items but for other reasons. I don't need to air those out here but the busts were NOT for the new events. There's ALWAYS more to the story of which you have very little - if any. Do some research before getting on social media and making bold accusations and assumptions. Make a few phone calls or send an email. The committee will be happy to tell you the real story. Though that doesn't mean you should put in on social media, but instead happy in knowing you don't have to get your blood pressure up for no reason. Don't make more of an issue than necessary.

Further more the following is at the bottom of EVERY teamster email:

"ABOUT THIS COMMUNICATION

You are subscribed to this communication as a member of APA Teamsters Local 1224. This communication is for the benefit of the members of APA Teamsters Local 1224. The sharing of union communications with non-members is strictly prohibited in accordance with APA Teamsters Local 1224 Bylaws, Section 30: Obligation, unless permission has been granted by the Executive Board. If you are no longer a member of APA Teamsters Local 1224 and you would like to unsubscribe to this newsletter and other union communications"

Did you gloss over the PROHIBITED part of the email? You're doing far more damage posting and discussing this in this format with others than you're doing good. There is a union forum for this conversation and there are committees you can contact with your concerns.

 

I didn't post anything from any Union email. I referenced the company email that the other posted. Wrong person...

 

Why would any of us post something from a Management email on here? 99.6% of us voted to strike - Every Sim instructor I know of voted yes. We have zero relationship with Management right now. I posted what our ExCo has told us and now we're seeing parts of Management emails on here. Do the readers of this thread want to hear from Management what it's like to work here or from the line grunts? You're not being hired into a Chief Pilot position making $500K with a free Condo on Key Biscayne. I'm sure Atlas's Management would love to tell you that this is an "Industry Leading" contract that our pilot group is under but that's a flat out lie and 99.6% of us know it.

I don't know if Dave took what I said the wrong way. Our Sim guys are flat out the best in the industry and they do the best with the horrible position that Atlas Management puts them in. Our Sim guys are awesome and many of them are friends. One of them who got me hired on is one of my VERY closest friends. They're all quick to buy beers and they're very reasonable where they can be. If the ExCo tells me that Atlas Management has put our entire training department AND our FOs in a bad situation then I believe my ExCo. I can promise you that there's a 99.6% chance that Atlas's line pilots AND our Sim instructors agree.

Sorry for the rant, but this is what it's like to work at Atlas and the ExCo email is EXTREMELY pertinent to what a New Hire can expect for the next 5 to 7 years while they're in the right seat.

 

It seems that management is intentionally trying to kill this airline. I have the sinking feeling that Bezos and the Amazon staff failed to perform due diligence.

Many of us have little choice, but to stick it out and hope the train does not come off the tracks. Think long and hard before coming here.

 

Agreed. 100%. I'm not trying to offend by posting a fact from the company or otherwise. Nothing I posted is made up.

It just seems that there are those out there that are intent on reading into an email so it fits a particular argument. Here is what we can't deny:

We take PIC type rides from the left seat when hired.

Our recurrent FO PC'S are done from the right seat.

Going forward but still not implemented we will add two items to the FO PC done from the RIGHT seat.

So far no Brainer right?

The FAA observed only TWO events of the proposed prgram.

Everybody still with me?

Current pass/fail rates have NOTHING to do with the proposed changes to the FO PC.

You will take another PC (not with the proposed additional two items) if you go out of currency before OE.

I don't use phrases like "a guy told me" to substantiate these facts, I called the UNION.

Our contract is substandard.

Am I making friends yet?

No I haven't "lost it" nor am I making personal attacks . Now, are we all on the same page?

Any questions PM me. This topic has been substantially beaten to death.

 

Hopefully what I have posted helps those interested in coming here make an informed decision.

 

Considering an Atlas Career?
Educate Yourself First With Some FACTS.

WORK ENVIRONMENT

• Training pay $1,600/mo; FedEx pays $4,000/mo.
• Frequent initial type ride failures during initial training.
• No pay protection.
• No bid line protection.
• New hires can be junior assigned to hostile area flying.
• Wages are 40% below industry-standard pay.
• Substandard retirement benefits; 401k match is 50% of employee contribution, up to 10%.

NEGOTIATIONS

• The company is refusing to engage in negotiations for a stand-alone Atlas pilots’ contract; The company is instead insisting on merging the Atlas Pilots’ contract with an even worse contract - the Southern Air pilots’ bankruptcy-forced contract.
  
• In April 2016, in an effort to force the union back to the bargaining table, the union asked the National Mediation Board to mediate the contract negotiations; Atlas is resisting all mediation efforts and instead continues to threaten to sue the union to force it to stop all negotiations and mediation and to merge the Atlas and Southern contracts.
  
• The company is not only attempting to force a merger of the Atlas and Southern contracts, but is determined to prevent the pilots from even voting whether to accept or reject a merged contract. The company is determined to avoid a contract ratification by the pilots by getting an arbitrator to impose a merged contract on the crews, thereby depriving the pilots of our right to vote.
  
• A strike authorization passed a membership vote with 99.6% of crews ready to strike and granting the union authorization to call a strike.
• A recent survey indicates a large majority of our crews have no confidence that Atlas will deal fairly with them in a contract merger/amalgamation (47 percent "no confidence; 35 percent "low confidence").

 

Why would people want to hear from multiple sources? Perhaps they like to think for themselves. Perhaps for the same reasons that I subscribe to both the WSJ and the NYT.

Labor/management relations are bad, there is no question of that. But there is nothing good to be gained by closing one's mind, even if you find yourself to be 95% in one camp.

 

The only thing that's for certain is coming here is a big gamble right now. As discussed the PC profile likely will change making the fail rate go up. Staffing is about where it should be for current flying. Yeah you could get some quick seniority if 300 more get hired for Amazon flying but nothing is for certain there until it happens. Even if it does happen we could easily lose flying elsewhere for a net wash or loss given the nature of ACMI. If you stick around here, at some point you'll have 250 Southern pilots put in front of you. Its pretty obvious at this point that we won't have a new contract anytime soon and things will probably get uglier between the company and union before then.

 

Hey guys and gals. I know this is going to make me unpopular off the bat, but I'm still trying to apply for a slot at Atlas. 2500TT, 1100 ME Turbine PIC. Been updating the resume about 8 months and still no call, but everyone says they're "hiring like crazy." Has anyone used the new online application process? This may have something to do with my not getting a call. I've completed and submitted the app (and updated) but it stays in the "iForms to complete" section. Is this normal or is there a glitch? Thanks!