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08-08-2016 | 11:46 AM
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Do you all Atlas pilots think that the success Local1224 had at Allegiant will follow Atlas?
https://www.thestreet.com/story/1366...ract-deal.html
https://www.thestreet.com/story/1366...ract-deal.html
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08-08-2016 | 03:05 PM
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It's taking roughly 7 months to get a pilot through OE from DOH...
Plan of making close to nothing for 7 months.
2/2016 new hires are still waiting on OE, 3 months after type ride. Thus being sent back for another PC with minimal training.
God speed
Plan of making close to nothing for 7 months.
2/2016 new hires are still waiting on OE, 3 months after type ride. Thus being sent back for another PC with minimal training.
God speed
08-08-2016 | 05:12 PM
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Do you all Atlas pilots think that the success Local1224 had at Allegiant will follow Atlas?
https://www.thestreet.com/story/1366...ract-deal.html
https://www.thestreet.com/story/1366...ract-deal.html
08-09-2016 | 07:16 AM
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From: Would you like fries with that gear, sir?
Took it in May. It was pretty much spot on. Find a jepp wx symbol chart, gleim atp for the wx and performance and some of those icao docs for oceanic contingency stuff. Oh, and have a pilot friend help.
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08-09-2016 | 08:26 AM
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Don't think I have ever seen a jepp wx symbol chart.
08-09-2016 | 09:36 AM
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http://ww1.jeppesen.com/aviation/per...ather-help.jsp
Sorry, not a chart aka map but a bunch papers that i got back in basic indoc for my current company. It just went over the symbology.
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08-09-2016 | 12:00 PM
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The link has an assortment of charts and symbol definitions. Also the question bank on page 1099 was still pretty good a year ago and Gliem ATP prep is good source. Hope it helps....Good Luck
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08-09-2016 | 12:02 PM
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FO PIC PCs now at Atlas...
Here's the official word from the ExCo. This means that you'll have a PIC checkride at the end of your probationary period at Atlas. Most of the FOs who've taken it so far have busted which will stall your progress to leave for greener pastures...
*** Atlas Executive Council Flight Action Alert (FAA) ***
Atlas Crew Members,
This action alert is to advise you of a recent turn of events regarding B-747 training. The FAA has recently instituted enhanced training requirements for flight crews and in particular with respect to First Officer PC Check Rides. Apparently, this relates to the company’s unwillingness to negotiate an appropriate AQP program, as a vast number of carriers in the industry have already done in order to enhance their training programs.
It appears that from this point forward, first officers on the B-747 will be required to complete a PIC check ride on their PC. You should all be ready to take this type of check ride, in addition to an extended and enhanced oral examination. The company, with the FAA observing, has run a few tests of this new requirement and the results have not gone well. You can expect the FAA to sit in on your check rides on a more frequent basis going forward, especially during the initial stages of this transition to the agency’s enhanced requirements.
The recent increase in failures underscores the fact that our crews, and in particular our first officers, are being required to take check rides for which they are not adequately prepared.
It is the union’s position that these problems are, in part, attributable to the poor quality of our simulators, inadequate training provided to the FOs for this requirement, a lack of familiarity and experience of flying from the left seat, and a rapid change in the training program and the requirements needed from our pilots.
The union considers this a serious problem that can have serious adverse consequences on a pilot’s career. Indeed, as a pilot progresses in his or her career, their path to advancement might be curtailed by a training failure on their record that should never have happened if he or she had received adequate training and support in the first place. As a result, we have taken immediate action to rectify this issue.
A letter was sent yesterday to Captain Jeff Carlson, SVP Flight Operations, requesting the following training measures be instituted immediately (Click here to read the letter):
1) An additional simulator session to bring the FOs up to a level of proficiency to fly this check ride (PC & RFT). Also, this extra simulator session should be comprised of the same crew that will be working together on that particular PC or RFT.
2) An independent company, approved by the union, be brought in to evaluate and issue a report that will detail what is needed to bring the current simulators at Atlas and Pan Am up to industry and FAA standards.
3) An in-depth oral prep ground school instruction period to bring our pilots up to speed on items to be covered on the newly expanded oral exam.
The union will work quickly and proactively to get this problem corrected and under control. If you have any concerns that you may not be properly prepared for a training event, we encourage you to get in touch with the union’s Training Committee for assistance.
We will update you further as this situation evolves.
Fraternally,
Atlas ExCo
Atlas Training Committee
APA Teamsters Local 1224
*** Atlas Executive Council Flight Action Alert (FAA) ***
Atlas Crew Members,
This action alert is to advise you of a recent turn of events regarding B-747 training. The FAA has recently instituted enhanced training requirements for flight crews and in particular with respect to First Officer PC Check Rides. Apparently, this relates to the company’s unwillingness to negotiate an appropriate AQP program, as a vast number of carriers in the industry have already done in order to enhance their training programs.
It appears that from this point forward, first officers on the B-747 will be required to complete a PIC check ride on their PC. You should all be ready to take this type of check ride, in addition to an extended and enhanced oral examination. The company, with the FAA observing, has run a few tests of this new requirement and the results have not gone well. You can expect the FAA to sit in on your check rides on a more frequent basis going forward, especially during the initial stages of this transition to the agency’s enhanced requirements.
The recent increase in failures underscores the fact that our crews, and in particular our first officers, are being required to take check rides for which they are not adequately prepared.
It is the union’s position that these problems are, in part, attributable to the poor quality of our simulators, inadequate training provided to the FOs for this requirement, a lack of familiarity and experience of flying from the left seat, and a rapid change in the training program and the requirements needed from our pilots.
The union considers this a serious problem that can have serious adverse consequences on a pilot’s career. Indeed, as a pilot progresses in his or her career, their path to advancement might be curtailed by a training failure on their record that should never have happened if he or she had received adequate training and support in the first place. As a result, we have taken immediate action to rectify this issue.
A letter was sent yesterday to Captain Jeff Carlson, SVP Flight Operations, requesting the following training measures be instituted immediately (Click here to read the letter):
1) An additional simulator session to bring the FOs up to a level of proficiency to fly this check ride (PC & RFT). Also, this extra simulator session should be comprised of the same crew that will be working together on that particular PC or RFT.
2) An independent company, approved by the union, be brought in to evaluate and issue a report that will detail what is needed to bring the current simulators at Atlas and Pan Am up to industry and FAA standards.
3) An in-depth oral prep ground school instruction period to bring our pilots up to speed on items to be covered on the newly expanded oral exam.
The union will work quickly and proactively to get this problem corrected and under control. If you have any concerns that you may not be properly prepared for a training event, we encourage you to get in touch with the union’s Training Committee for assistance.
We will update you further as this situation evolves.
Fraternally,
Atlas ExCo
Atlas Training Committee
APA Teamsters Local 1224
08-09-2016 | 12:34 PM
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Here's the official word from the ExCo. This means that you'll have a PIC checkride at the end of your probationary period at Atlas. Most of the FOs who've taken it so far have busted which will stall your progress to leave for greener pastures...
*** Atlas Executive Council Flight Action Alert (FAA) ***
Atlas Crew Members,
This action alert is to advise you of a recent turn of events regarding B-747 training. The FAA has recently instituted enhanced training requirements for flight crews and in particular with respect to First Officer PC Check Rides. Apparently, this relates to the company’s unwillingness to negotiate an appropriate AQP program, as a vast number of carriers in the industry have already done in order to enhance their training programs.
It appears that from this point forward, first officers on the B-747 will be required to complete a PIC check ride on their PC. You should all be ready to take this type of check ride, in addition to an extended and enhanced oral examination. The company, with the FAA observing, has run a few tests of this new requirement and the results have not gone well. You can expect the FAA to sit in on your check rides on a more frequent basis going forward, especially during the initial stages of this transition to the agency’s enhanced requirements.
The recent increase in failures underscores the fact that our crews, and in particular our first officers, are being required to take check rides for which they are not adequately prepared.
It is the union’s position that these problems are, in part, attributable to the poor quality of our simulators, inadequate training provided to the FOs for this requirement, a lack of familiarity and experience of flying from the left seat, and a rapid change in the training program and the requirements needed from our pilots.
The union considers this a serious problem that can have serious adverse consequences on a pilot’s career. Indeed, as a pilot progresses in his or her career, their path to advancement might be curtailed by a training failure on their record that should never have happened if he or she had received adequate training and support in the first place. As a result, we have taken immediate action to rectify this issue.
A letter was sent yesterday to Captain Jeff Carlson, SVP Flight Operations, requesting the following training measures be instituted immediately (Click here to read the letter):
1) An additional simulator session to bring the FOs up to a level of proficiency to fly this check ride (PC & RFT). Also, this extra simulator session should be comprised of the same crew that will be working together on that particular PC or RFT.
2) An independent company, approved by the union, be brought in to evaluate and issue a report that will detail what is needed to bring the current simulators at Atlas and Pan Am up to industry and FAA standards.
3) An in-depth oral prep ground school instruction period to bring our pilots up to speed on items to be covered on the newly expanded oral exam.
The union will work quickly and proactively to get this problem corrected and under control. If you have any concerns that you may not be properly prepared for a training event, we encourage you to get in touch with the union’s Training Committee for assistance.
We will update you further as this situation evolves.
Fraternally,
Atlas ExCo
Atlas Training Committee
APA Teamsters Local 1224
*** Atlas Executive Council Flight Action Alert (FAA) ***
Atlas Crew Members,
This action alert is to advise you of a recent turn of events regarding B-747 training. The FAA has recently instituted enhanced training requirements for flight crews and in particular with respect to First Officer PC Check Rides. Apparently, this relates to the company’s unwillingness to negotiate an appropriate AQP program, as a vast number of carriers in the industry have already done in order to enhance their training programs.
It appears that from this point forward, first officers on the B-747 will be required to complete a PIC check ride on their PC. You should all be ready to take this type of check ride, in addition to an extended and enhanced oral examination. The company, with the FAA observing, has run a few tests of this new requirement and the results have not gone well. You can expect the FAA to sit in on your check rides on a more frequent basis going forward, especially during the initial stages of this transition to the agency’s enhanced requirements.
The recent increase in failures underscores the fact that our crews, and in particular our first officers, are being required to take check rides for which they are not adequately prepared.
It is the union’s position that these problems are, in part, attributable to the poor quality of our simulators, inadequate training provided to the FOs for this requirement, a lack of familiarity and experience of flying from the left seat, and a rapid change in the training program and the requirements needed from our pilots.
The union considers this a serious problem that can have serious adverse consequences on a pilot’s career. Indeed, as a pilot progresses in his or her career, their path to advancement might be curtailed by a training failure on their record that should never have happened if he or she had received adequate training and support in the first place. As a result, we have taken immediate action to rectify this issue.
A letter was sent yesterday to Captain Jeff Carlson, SVP Flight Operations, requesting the following training measures be instituted immediately (Click here to read the letter):
1) An additional simulator session to bring the FOs up to a level of proficiency to fly this check ride (PC & RFT). Also, this extra simulator session should be comprised of the same crew that will be working together on that particular PC or RFT.
2) An independent company, approved by the union, be brought in to evaluate and issue a report that will detail what is needed to bring the current simulators at Atlas and Pan Am up to industry and FAA standards.
3) An in-depth oral prep ground school instruction period to bring our pilots up to speed on items to be covered on the newly expanded oral exam.
The union will work quickly and proactively to get this problem corrected and under control. If you have any concerns that you may not be properly prepared for a training event, we encourage you to get in touch with the union’s Training Committee for assistance.
We will update you further as this situation evolves.
Fraternally,
Atlas ExCo
Atlas Training Committee
APA Teamsters Local 1224
This is not altogether true.
Globemaster, do you fly here at Atlas? If you do, why would you post this knowing that we received an email from training and standards after the EXCO sent this clarifying this?
In any event, while it is true that FO PC's are being scrutinized, there is currently NO change to the way we conduct training on the 747 for FO's. The FSDO observed 2 events only and the PIC portion of the events were only 2 additional items both done from the right seat. This is being done in response to an LOI from the FAA to Atlas.
At the end of the day, who really cares??!! Before we see any change, those changes have to be approved by the FAA and Atlas will be required to provide us the training to be able to accomplish the new footprint. NO doubt that this will probably be what we will be required to do going forward but it is NOT the way we are doing it NOW.
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