Do you have apps out?

 

Not sure about Stratocruzr, but just about everyone that I fly with has their apps out... especially if they're under 50. Just saying.

Cousteau

 

Several over 50 people, FOs and Captains alike, with apps out. It's going to get ugly.

 

We just had a union leader (in the Exco/MEC) , who is 58 years old, leave for UPS this past month. Six months ago, we had a Negotiating Committee member leave for UPS.

That should give you an indication of how bad it is here.

You do know the regionals are hiring, right?

 

I heard that UPS alone, has over 100 Atlas dudes in their hiring pool.

 

This is what finally did it for me - last spring. I tried to help as many folks as possible get hired at Atlas back in 2013 and 2014. I tried to offer insights and remain positive. I saw the potential of the company and what it could become. The managers are smart folks who had made some good business decisions. Even when others were telling me to get my apps out I resisted. I waited for the 2015 fourth quarter results (late January 16 announcement) and hoped for a positive outcome. But when the SA purchase was announced in the manner it was to our union I saw the writing on the wall in big neon letters. I updated an published my apps as quick as possible. I was hired at my first choice 5 months later. Having a military background I didn't have a comparison CBA. Now that I'm in a much more established carrier with a well developed CBA I can say "*** was I waiting for?" Much better pay and in some ways more importantly, the work rules are much more beneficial to the pilot group. I don't hate Atlas for the current situation. I wish it could have turned out differently. I had a great 3 years on the 747. The crews were awesome, the destinations were great (for the most part), and I still have a number of folks there I'm proud to call friends. But Atlas has become a resume bullet for younger folks. I wish everyone well there and hope it turns out well. But I was approaching an age where it was time to make a decision that would be long term. I couldn't afford to wait and hope any longer. My family and I are more than happy about the decision. Since leaving I've received calls from captains and first officers regarding their upcoming interviews at my current company. Others whom I did not know are also showing up on our seniority list monthly.

8 and others who are long time posters on this board have good advice regarding Atlas. Folks here shouldn't be so quick to discount their well informed advice. Think of it as 2 guys sitting at a bar having drinks at F St, Jetlag Club, the Irish Village or your favorite watering hole. If you take the time to read through their historical posts and disregard your emotions you'll see they're simply trying to make sure you know what you're getting into.

Atlas' 2016 fourth quarter results are due to be released on 23 Feb. You might do well to pay close attention to that earnings call. Read between the lines and ask yourself what was NOT mentioned. That's just as important as what is discussed.

 

The toxic Atlas environment just took another step backwards.

Today, Atlas pilots are getting sued by our bosses because they don't want to continue section 6 contract talks that legally started before the acquisition of Southern Air. I don't care how they try to spin it, bottom line is they want to force an arbitration to prevent me from voting on our next contract. Are they that afraid of our vote and desire for an industry STANDARD contract? Yes they are because they want to throw a little money at the problem, put lipstick on the pig of a contract and not fix the major issues we have problems with.

Well, our pilots are already voting... with their feet.

Not cool!

Cousteau

 

I can't believe I've invested a decade of my life into this place. Apps are out.

 

Yep, and I know of several others that have said this was the last straw. Poorly played Mr D.

 

Absolutely have apps out.

Not only that but I could no longer recommend this place to anyone. It's not even worth the type.
Horrific,y low first year pay
Current contract that is sub par on every level
Holes in contract that effect your quality of life and pay every month
Managements steadfast to force a new merged contact and call it good? Means sub par contract for probably the rest of the life of this airline.
The current mass exodus of everyone here, youre risking coming to just be furloughed.

Run run run far away from this place. Don't look back. You're better off just about anywhere.