What's "very high"? I know of a few that left for greener pastures, or for personal reasons. Haven't heard of any Jan or Feb hires that have washed out otherwise.

 

My understanding is that 5 didn’t make it through the process in the December class. I think 2 or 3 were wash outs. This doesn’t include pink slips. There is risk involved... If you’re inexperienced or haven’t been through training in a while I’d factor it into your decision.

 

Absolutely. You are on your own in this training department. It’s a joke. Just like their scheduling and contract.
They want to be a big boy airline but refuse to pay professionals a decent wage so they can’t keep any talent. Not just pilots. ALL DEPARTMENTS.
If you’re not expireoenced in getting yourself through a type, you might not want to roll the dice with your certificate.

Too many other better places

 

The 5 Dec class had three not offered the type ride.

 

That's about what I heard. Several quit and 3 were FIRED for not completing training. That's probably about 1 in 8 who will have to explain being terminated from a training program for the remainder of their career.

Personally I don't blame our training at all. It's a much kinder and gentler MIA training center than it use to be. The difference is that we've been forced to roll the dice on applicants who may or may not be ready. The type bust will stick with you as well but washing completely out is a big deal. Consider this before you come here and if you do come show up ready to go. Ask for help immediately if you fall behind in any way.

 

You can’t expect a training department to crystal ball it every class.
Any training department will always be behind and respond reactively and not proactively as you need a feedback loop to make adjustments.
So they do what they do till failures get above a statistical average then the process starts of determining whether this is applicant or training issues.
I’m suspecting applicant issues.

Show up mentally ready and prepared and plan to work hard.
I know I was and so was everybody else in my class.

 

I think it’s less about the training department, which has to be among the worst in the industry, and more about the experience and talent level passing through the training center.

 

I felt well prepared for my type ride.
And if fail rates were that low ( <1 per class) then I think they did somthing right.
I’d it flawless? No.....but show me one that is.

 

What is your comparison to say that Atlas has the "worst in the industry"? Where did you accomplish your training and how many airlines have you received a type from to draw such a conclusion? I think prospective candidates here would like to hear concrete evidence instead of a fleeting comment without any support to back up the claim.

I'm not goading you....I am curious too because my experience now that I have received two types from Atlas is that despite having taken a step back so to speak having come from an AQP airline is that I thought I was well prepared to take the types. Perhaps it is a mindset in ones approach to training that lays the foundation for success. Instead of showing up and expecting to be spoon fed, which at Atlas will definetly not happen, one would think that when a career is on the line expecting ANY training department to carry you is precarious at best. My experience at Atlas was that every instructor all the way up to S.A. was there to see you succeed provided you put in the time and effort.

I think that career preparation in any field is about attitude, aptitude and preparedness. Perhaps this is another area especially during contentious contract negotiations while the company is under the microscope, where it is easier to assign blame to others than to own it. I don't think that Atlas training has anything to do with those getting pinked or leaving. People are leaving because they are chasing the money. People are getting pinked at a normal rate as any other airline because they are not coming prepared mentally, or they had a bad day. Of all the posts here claiming that Atlas has the "highest failure rates", there has been zero statistical data to quantify those statements. Sure there is a learning curve coming from a King Air to a B767 but there are plenty of those guys getting through no problem. Besides, the Feds signed off on Atlas training and the company can't do a thing to our training standards without the union crying foul(as it should be) so if there is blame to be assigned at this point for the perceived "poor training" at Atlas, I think it is a two way street and the only drivers are the union and the company. As I understand it, there are a couple of reasons why Atlas doesn't have AQP; The POI is a hold out, and the other is that union and company can't agree on it's implementation rules.

Readers understand your opinion, that is easy to grasp...you hate Atlas but you are still enjoying the benefits of being employed by your loathed carrier, but what readers here don't understand is, what is your expectation of training at Atlas? How are you "on your own" and how does that differ from any other training department? Don't you roll the dice EVERYTIME you put yourself in front of a fed whether that be for a PPL or a type regardless of where your training was accomplished? The two events are mutually exclusive. The standards set forth to pass a type or any checking event don't change if you were to complete your training at ABC vs XYZ carrier. If you completed your training at a 121 carrier, it means that their training department has met the standards with which to present to the standards a candidate for a checkride. I think the company and the training department are separate yet related entities. While I disagree with the direction of negotiations and the companies approach to the negotiations to date, I think the training department is not a reflection of the companies demeanor toward the pilot group as it relates to negotiations.

 

Thank you Davetastic.
@ Cruzer, if you’re truly that miserable you have the option of giving up your seat to somebody who really wants to be here.
Apart from one post where you complain you didn’t get hired at UPS all you’ve done on this forum is post negativily about Atlas.