Atlas Air Hiring
07-11-2018 | 11:10 AM
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Yes, both you and Talon have been informative according to your leaderships wishes over the years after my short review. To include the early and latest mandates given by the past and current ExCos, in which you have complied with exuberantly with each.
I agree, we will do better with a Section 6 negotiation (strike). Unfortunately, we are kind of tied to our scope clause under section 1 of our contract and I expect us loosing that in court and the later arbitration the court will kick it back to. Not dissimilar to how the company wanted to back out of the same section one language of the contract on strike/picket line crossing in court recently they lost. Kind of the pot calling the kettle black scenario in reverse reading the language of the CBA.
Dude*, I see your on LMED as of May 2018 seniority list. Hope your OK despite our dislike of each other. Have had my own over the years here at Atlas. Cancer and a few altercations requiring recovery. Is __ granting you donated LMED leave from the crewmember donated medical bank since you only got hired back in 2011 or UB/FPL? I myself never asked for it while still continuing to volunteer despite the tubes going in and out of me. Now I see why you have well over 1000 posts to my less than 100. Lots of time to lurk and post.
You being hired around thirty days of __ didn't helped either. Just makes you tainted with the Nexgen slate stench. A slate that accomplished nothing of their promises to the membership that got them elected. As a matter of fact, the FPL amendment I supported and helped get done did that and more.
I'm sadden about the hijacking of this thread also. One of the ExCo taking it upon themselves to carry on there agenda using selective history recall and posting it here. Leaving out a lot of what we are now repeating from the Atlas/Polar merger.
Talon, you've been somewhat civil. I'm not anti-union as I have been labeled by __ before and after the FPL amendment vote. I have decades of direct involvement before his recent rise to repeat history again, minus the his jail time.
I could go on, but lets head back to the 1224 forums for that for however long that may last. Although our leadership is doing it's best to kill it.
Currently Atlas leadership says the forums are down. One level up at 1224 they say it's still up and the Atlas ExCo has only withdrawn their moderators to approve posts. So we are left with only the non-Atlas moderators to approve posts and they have according to the TOS published. Maybe that is better considering the past deletions, censoring, ignoring and etc by the Atlas moderators. Unfortunately, part is that there are few 1224 moderators so posting is slow.
I agree, we will do better with a Section 6 negotiation (strike). Unfortunately, we are kind of tied to our scope clause under section 1 of our contract and I expect us loosing that in court and the later arbitration the court will kick it back to. Not dissimilar to how the company wanted to back out of the same section one language of the contract on strike/picket line crossing in court recently they lost. Kind of the pot calling the kettle black scenario in reverse reading the language of the CBA.
Dude*, I see your on LMED as of May 2018 seniority list. Hope your OK despite our dislike of each other. Have had my own over the years here at Atlas. Cancer and a few altercations requiring recovery. Is __ granting you donated LMED leave from the crewmember donated medical bank since you only got hired back in 2011 or UB/FPL? I myself never asked for it while still continuing to volunteer despite the tubes going in and out of me. Now I see why you have well over 1000 posts to my less than 100. Lots of time to lurk and post.
You being hired around thirty days of __ didn't helped either. Just makes you tainted with the Nexgen slate stench. A slate that accomplished nothing of their promises to the membership that got them elected. As a matter of fact, the FPL amendment I supported and helped get done did that and more.
I'm sadden about the hijacking of this thread also. One of the ExCo taking it upon themselves to carry on there agenda using selective history recall and posting it here. Leaving out a lot of what we are now repeating from the Atlas/Polar merger.
Talon, you've been somewhat civil. I'm not anti-union as I have been labeled by __ before and after the FPL amendment vote. I have decades of direct involvement before his recent rise to repeat history again, minus the his jail time.
I could go on, but lets head back to the 1224 forums for that for however long that may last. Although our leadership is doing it's best to kill it.
Currently Atlas leadership says the forums are down. One level up at 1224 they say it's still up and the Atlas ExCo has only withdrawn their moderators to approve posts. So we are left with only the non-Atlas moderators to approve posts and they have according to the TOS published. Maybe that is better considering the past deletions, censoring, ignoring and etc by the Atlas moderators. Unfortunately, part is that there are few 1224 moderators so posting is slow.
For those aspiring to be Atlas pilots, I promise you that we're not all the kind of people who call you out by name to flaunt your personal status on line. Most of us are pretty good folks who have sound judgement and decent morals when it comes to spirited discussions and disagreements.
So, I'm happy to respond to folks who want my honest opinion of how things are at Atlas, but I'll never be able to stoop as low as some of the antagonists that post here.
07-11-2018 | 04:16 PM
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I'm referring to the company filed lawsuit on the grievance the company filed on us and we ignored it. We didn't process it via the grievance protocols. That company lawsuit is to compel us to follow the grievance procedure and will probably just end with an order for us to go thru the section 19 process on the company's grievance. Will probably end in an arbitration on that grievnce to determine if we are going to be section 1 (amalgamation) or RLA section 6 (able to strike) negotiations.
Mouthful of stuff to say and easy to get lost in the legal crap. I didn't do a great job on it and it wasn't very well explained before in the Chairman's Update 6-19-2018. It's still up on the union site if you want to cross check me or you can try to make the Atlas/Southern call that was recently changed to July 24 if you check your email. I'm sure it will come up again there or just ask on the call.
So yes, there is still a company lawsuit against us unless something more recent changed that.
Mouthful of stuff to say and easy to get lost in the legal crap. I didn't do a great job on it and it wasn't very well explained before in the Chairman's Update 6-19-2018. It's still up on the union site if you want to cross check me or you can try to make the Atlas/Southern call that was recently changed to July 24 if you check your email. I'm sure it will come up again there or just ask on the call.
So yes, there is still a company lawsuit against us unless something more recent changed that.
The lawsuit was concluded months ago. In fact, the very Chairman’s update that you cited provides the dates for when the Atlas and Southern arbitration hearings with regard to Section 6 VS successorship will be heard. Again, this just makes it seem like you aren’t fully aware of what’s actually going on at the moment at Atlas.
07-11-2018 | 10:26 PM
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Sudden,
The lawsuit was concluded months ago. In fact, the very Chairman’s update that you cited provides the dates for when the Atlas and Southern arbitration hearings with regard to Section 6 VS successorship will be heard. Again, this just makes it seem like you aren’t fully aware of what’s actually going on at the moment at Atlas.
The lawsuit was concluded months ago. In fact, the very Chairman’s update that you cited provides the dates for when the Atlas and Southern arbitration hearings with regard to Section 6 VS successorship will be heard. Again, this just makes it seem like you aren’t fully aware of what’s actually going on at the moment at Atlas.
Even if it eventually gets a legal pass from the courts to force its amalgamation-by-arbitration process on the pilots (and that is still a very big “if”), the company will, by that time, find itself in an even deeper hole than it has already dug for itself. Even if it secures its amalgamation-by-arbitration process, the company still must engage in a time-consuming bargaining charade where it pretends to negotiate for a year in order to enter the interest arbitrationphase. Realistically, even if it obtains the ability to force the amalgamate-by-arbitration process upon us, the company faces a timeline that looks like this:
Here is the PDF of the order no one seems able to provide here.
07-12-2018 | 01:18 PM
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On a lighter note.....the Purchase spin machine just announced a GOFLO....the lucky pilots of GOjets get a guaranteed interview to serve Atlas after a qualifying peroiod of purgatory at the aforementioned. I find it kind of ironic as I just flew with an FO who applied to Envoy to joins as a DEC. The circle of life at the bottom of the pond.
07-12-2018 | 02:15 PM
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On a lighter note.....the Purchase spin machine just announced a GOFLO....the lucky pilots of GOjets get a guaranteed interview to serve Atlas after a qualifying peroiod of purgatory at the aforementioned. I find it kind of ironic as I just flew with an FO who applied to Envoy to joins as a DEC. The circle of life at the bottom of the pond.
07-12-2018 | 02:28 PM
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On a lighter note.....the Purchase spin machine just announced a GOFLO....the lucky pilots of GOjets get a guaranteed interview to serve Atlas after a qualifying peroiod of purgatory at the aforementioned. I find it kind of ironic as I just flew with an FO who applied to Envoy to joins as a DEC. The circle of life at the bottom of the pond.
I flew with an FO who was thinking about going to Mountain Air Cargo. They don't have flow through to FedEx, but they have a PRIORITY interview: They get interviewed before anyone else. MAC had a good base location near his home, which was also part of the reason he was considering MAC.
As you can see, a lot of guys get here and immediately apply to go elsewhere. Sometimes it's really not worth going to such a substandard ACMI carrier when you have the ability to reach a higher fruit on the first grab.
07-12-2018 | 05:58 PM
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All applicants should do their due diligence.
Don't be THAT new guy who says, "No line protection??? We even had line protection in the regionals!"
AtlasFacts.org
Don't be THAT new guy who says, "No line protection??? We even had line protection in the regionals!"
AtlasFacts.org
07-12-2018 | 06:05 PM
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Speaking in broad terms...
Unless you are really serious about jumping on the ACMI program. Absolutely have the burning desire to fly for what basically amounts to a sub-contractor, there should be, in this day and age, no reason or need to put your credentials on the line, potentially putting a high dollar career with a major airline at risk by accepting a position with a service provider airline.
Even if it's just to try it out, you may pink slip the program or get yourself violated on the line and jeopardize your potential going forward.
Buyer beware!
Unless you are really serious about jumping on the ACMI program. Absolutely have the burning desire to fly for what basically amounts to a sub-contractor, there should be, in this day and age, no reason or need to put your credentials on the line, potentially putting a high dollar career with a major airline at risk by accepting a position with a service provider airline.
Even if it's just to try it out, you may pink slip the program or get yourself violated on the line and jeopardize your potential going forward.
Buyer beware!
07-12-2018 | 10:36 PM
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07-12-2018 | 11:38 PM
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I flew with an FO who was thinking about going to Mountain Air Cargo. They don't have flow through to FedEx, but they have a PRIORITY interview: They get interviewed before anyone else. MAC had a good base location near his home, which was also part of the reason he was considering MAC.
On a lighter note.....the Purchase spin machine just announced a GOFLO....the lucky pilots of GOjets get a guaranteed interview to serve Atlas after a qualifying peroiod of purgatory at the aforementioned. I find it kind of ironic as I just flew with an FO who applied to Envoy to joins as a DEC. The circle of life at the bottom of the pond.
Thank you for providing another reason to highlight why you should just be ignored. Over 60% of the pilot group at Atlas are FNGs to you. So if they don't agree with your version of reality they are just brainless drones incapable of thought?
See how little he really thinks of you everyone?
All I see is a petulant child stomping his feet and running his mouth because he is no longer relevant in the pilot group. Wouldn't even surprise me if he's actively working to subvert the pilot group out of spite before he retires and truly becomes a nobody. Why don't you work on being a positive influence on the group and leave something good behind instead of trying to break it all down because no one wants you in the union anymore. (Que claims he's actively sought to sort the union mess out all the time).
See how little he really thinks of you everyone?
All I see is a petulant child stomping his feet and running his mouth because he is no longer relevant in the pilot group. Wouldn't even surprise me if he's actively working to subvert the pilot group out of spite before he retires and truly becomes a nobody. Why don't you work on being a positive influence on the group and leave something good behind instead of trying to break it all down because no one wants you in the union anymore. (Que claims he's actively sought to sort the union mess out all the time).
and have insecurities. To get past being a drone, you have to learn how to call BS on statements by BK that are at least misleading and in many cases complete fabrications instead of just listening to his calls with your jaw hanging down to your chest thinking everything he says is true. It's called character. His past felony embarrassing all aviators probably should have been a clue and his co-felons shunning him might have been even a bigger clue. He now enjoys a guaranteed income of unknown amount to last to the end of his term despite his mandatory retirement earlier on.
Yes, about 60% are new hires as you stated. They also are the highest in turnover leaving those of us stuck here having to live with what they do while they are here and voted on before they leave for UPS/Fedex/Delta during their short stay.
As to being relevant, there probably isn't a day that goes by that an Atlas member doesn't touch on something that others and I built for their safety, security, and general welfare here. Of course, BK flushed most of us out now to reinvent history in his preferred image claiming everything as his idea now. Sound familiar to US politics? Many I hold in high regard, wouldn't capitulate to his BS and were replaced recently. I as others have heard what BK says on P2P calls and most have recognized that it is now his personal propaganda machine to create lists, shun members, and etc vs what it was originally set up for communications wise prior to his arrival. I did warn the administration when we set up P2P that it could easily be used this way by less scrupulous leadership. A double edged sword cutting both ways and it has come to fruition.
I have never "saved the day" per se, only advised leadership in the past of possible outcomes of certain actions and then ultimately implemented their resulting decisions. That is until BK, whom has little moral grounding and has been willing to burn members by misleading them and letting them put themselves in danger. Let alone burning any that calls BS such as the FPL amendment supporters.
Yes, about 60% are new hires as you stated. They also are the highest in turnover leaving those of us stuck here having to live with what they do while they are here and voted on before they leave for UPS/Fedex/Delta during their short stay.
As to being relevant, there probably isn't a day that goes by that an Atlas member doesn't touch on something that others and I built for their safety, security, and general welfare here. Of course, BK flushed most of us out now to reinvent history in his preferred image claiming everything as his idea now. Sound familiar to US politics? Many I hold in high regard, wouldn't capitulate to his BS and were replaced recently. I as others have heard what BK says on P2P calls and most have recognized that it is now his personal propaganda machine to create lists, shun members, and etc vs what it was originally set up for communications wise prior to his arrival. I did warn the administration when we set up P2P that it could easily be used this way by less scrupulous leadership. A double edged sword cutting both ways and it has come to fruition.
I have never "saved the day" per se, only advised leadership in the past of possible outcomes of certain actions and then ultimately implemented their resulting decisions. That is until BK, whom has little moral grounding and has been willing to burn members by misleading them and letting them put themselves in danger. Let alone burning any that calls BS such as the FPL amendment supporters.
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