742Dash

Not to mention the legal protections that shield a union forum running on a union server.

Facebook is not a service, it is a surveillance system. And it is a surveillance system that management has used to their advantage.

Talon1011

Yep. Pretty much the same players in both places.

dutch747

You and all the other keyboard jockeys on here have no idea what the details are, and neither do I.

Hopefully our union has agreed upon language regarding the upcoming amalgamation arbitration and putting the Southern Air guys on the same pay and work rules as Atlas (Atlas/Southern Parity agreement).


If the Atlas/Southern Parity agreement is in the form of a LOA, the company could argue that the amalgamation of the two contracts be with Atlas's current CBA and Southern's current CBA. -A huge loss for both pilot groups assuming the union withers and folds on the company. I don't think there is a possibility in hell of this happening in the current pilot hiring market.


My concern going forward is the company continues to the stall tactics and the "litigate everything" attitude because with new Southern Pay rates work rules will fill classes with desperate pilots who don't bother doing any homework and suffer from shiny jet syndrome.


But back to my original point. We don't know any of the details yet so all this conversation is just conjecture.

suddenimpact

It is true. At the moment, the Atlas forums are getting some postings thru at Atlas 1224. Mostly due to the 1224 whole group moderators approving them and they have limited resources to due so.

The Atlas ExCo 1224 removed their moderators that approved posts for the membership. Until just recently, posts four months down the line are getting approved, not to include the posts during the gap. Probably solely via the 1224 whole group union moderators. So posting may be yanked at any given moment as the Atlas ExCo tries to squelch the membership again.

I have more info on this, but I thought I would save it until they pull membership access again.

It is obvious to see why the Atlas facebook page is the happening place referenced by the others above. They control what is published and all of the moderators are disciples of Kirchner and/or Griffith.


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I have to agree, we don't know the details of this agreement at all. Knowing Kirchner's history, I would prefer to keep my wallet in sight. If Southern is brought up to our level, then it definitely would help us in a later amalgamated merger.

Atrasaty

So everyone else on here is a "keyboard jockey" except you who then proceeds to run his mouth about nothing.....pathetic.

atpcliff

Southern will not be able to fill classes, because Atlas has not been able to fill classes, even with a much better contract.

JackStraw

The company lies to new recruits and new recruits are dumber than you give them credit for. They’ll fill.

Diesel8

Yup! +1!!!

suddenimpact

One good thing is, if we were not being misled by the announcement of the proposed tentatively agreed to Southern parity to Atlas CBA is that if we get stuck in an arbitration, they won't be able to tether us to the lower CBA as the situation is now if we go into arbitration. Of course, the Southern guys get a bigger paycheck faster.

I'm reserving my optimism until I see what is in the agreement. Could be some hidden bombs in it. Southern will have to vote on it.

dutch747

Funny, when I wrote that remark (keyboard jockey) I was wondering if you or anyone else would be so sensitive as to let that upset you.

I hoped everyone would just read post for the content of what I was saying. Guess I was wrong.