I voted for the assessment. I don't support anything else except section 6. Now go away.





You can't say anything on this forum even if it is only hypothetical without some jerkoff accusing you of being a company guy or anti union. I have always said that I support what our union is trying to achieve...i just disagree with the way they go about doing it sometimes. Case in point....I disagree with the notion that ANY of our union leadership, EXCO, committee members, or anyone volunteering in any union capacity whatsoever etc., use these forums as a mechanism to promote a political campaign. I think to do so is short sighted and could harm our ability to negotiate a fair contract as has apparently happened with data theft and the pension argument. If the company, as many claim, troll this forum wouldn't less be more?

 

What? Are you the only person that can express their views on these message boards?

You talk the talk but you don't walk the walk. You say that you support the union, but:
1. Your constant public criticism of the union undermines unity and plants the seeds of division in our group.
2. Your continued propagation of exaggerations like "data theft" on these boards is just the sort of thing that management loves to harvest as they rub their hands together in glee at the sight of union members accusing each other of misdeeds.
3. Your constant promotion of just how "not bad" (good) life at Atlas is assists in the company recruitment efforts. There is virtually not a negative post by someone else that will not generate a contrary post from you arguing that things at Atlas aren't as bad as the poster says they are. People have their own opinions, yet you tell them that their opinions are wrong.
4. Instead of privately disagreeing with the union tactics, you publicly flaunt them over and over and over for all the world to see. This erodes unity and supports the company agenda of weakening the union.
5. You are right that the company uses these boards. In the JC declaration letter used in one of the lawsuits, direct responses to your posts were used against the pilot group.

Now, you have the right to say whatever you want on these boards, whether it's true or not. But don't think that when you say that you "support the union" that you won't be called out for lying because your words here have done much more harm than good for our cause.

 

I don't think I was lashing out. Just stating how it is. You might want to grow a little thicker skin because your going to get a lot of admiration and admonishment from the membership just for what you could do and what you couldn't.

Seeing your a 767 guy, you might have a modicum of a chance of flying your pattern if your doing the CVG hub.

So sorry that they put R1 on your pattern that are not UB days. They usually fill them with flying after some time, but sometimes not.

I've noticed some of the other stewards VX when they get put on R1 to sit at home. They seem to be exempted from being put on "THE LIST" that is floating around out there. Of course, couple are playing the VX seniority lottery and some just fly the OT trips. Some do both.


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I have always wanted us to move these discussions/rants to our forums or the less secure facebook page. Mentioned that a few times on threads here.

Unfortunately, our current administration does not want to hear anything contrary or even improvement suggestions. To the point of denying all postings to the web forum and censored (and banning persons) posts to facebook.

This hijacked thread is what happens when you try to silence the membership. A fine example of the ExCo only thinking one move at a time and not thinking of the consequences.

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Personally, I thought the recordings did more damage and they got those via discovery proceedings. Teaching our Chairman what to say and not say in public probably would have helped also.

 

Just like the Gulfstream...there was never a data theft. Just someone who claims there was with zero evidence. No substance, just baseless claims...more lies.

 

Brother, my statement was just to point out that UB isn't a cash cow, and that the UB/FPL conspiracy theory is simply a lie. I'm always happy to show my meager pay stubs to anyone I fly with who thinks otherwise.

Have a great day.

 

[QUOTE=NightIP;2616856]Brother, my statement was just to point out that UB isn't a cash cow, and that the UB/FPL conspiracy theory is simply a lie. I'm always happy to show my meager pay stubs to anyone I fly with who thinks otherwise.

Never said it was a cash cow (definitely wasn't for me), just that it was getting abused. It only takes a few to screw the party up for all. 2015 $660K, 2016 $1.1M, 2017 $1.272 M in UB pay. 2017 had about six months of the company giving us credit for 200 hrs a month under the framework agreement that is not reflected in these numbers. So if we didn't have the framework agreement UB would be higher than $1.272M. You can pick through the LM-2 to see who is getting the most.

Usually, the stewards were never a problem when we were tracking that. Sorry you got zapped with R1 to fill the unused gaps but looking at all the stewards schedules I have right now, few get three days of R1 some one or two. Most list for VX. Since I don't post anything here against the Teamsters social media policy or the employee handbook social media policy, so I can't give better details. Although, sampling shows that the average Joe-pilot gets shafted with R1 to stop their CRT clock at the same rate as Stewards do when they pull UB on the remains of their parings. So your not getting ahead or behind compared to your brothers/sisters though you get a little more than them (5.0 vs 4.85 hrs per day of UB).

I know they park me on the road as hidden reserve (multiple DH/Comercials) or at home on R1 around the 14th day regularly. Especially if I'm getting close to guarantee.

Just saw the latest Chairman's update today. Foreshadowing the reality of having to do this through the arbitration process since the company won't really negotiate. Kind of saw that coming long ago. We still need to send our guys to close what they can though. Keeps the arbiters hands off TA'd parts generally.

 

Actually, I have seen current posts on the union web forum so they are not shut down as you say. I think that forum simply fell out of favor with the pilot group because about half of the posts there were from 2 or 3 posters who wrote long winded rants about how bad the union was.

 

Major games are being played with this and other restrictions on anyone with dissenting opinions. They removed all the moderators months ago with the intention of shutting it down but other 1224 carriers use it, so that would have looked bad. Smoke and mirrors.

 

Your constant bashing and criticism of union dues paying members that have a differing opinion as to the union political message is contradictory to your message of unity. If you want someone to march to your tune but yet ehy seem reluctant to join, perhaps you should change what you are playing hmmm?

I did not propagate the "data theft" incident. I mentioned it in passing in a previous post but I was most certainly not the one whom originated the idea nor was I the only one to inquire about it. But I should point out that to conjure up the idea that "management rub their hands together in glee" is nothing short of paranoia! LMFAO!!!

I have never said that an opinion is wrong. I just offer my perspective. And to ALL reading....there is nothing wrong with life not being that bad at Atlas. Life is a matter of perspective but it doesn't and shouldn't be equated with not wanting or working for a better contract! And to say that my opinion "assists" in company recruitment efforts is far reaching to say the least. Man...keep it up....you are looking worse the more you write.


You are such a hypocrite! You "flaunt" your position but tell me to be quiet?! I will not. But seriously, if you or any other union officer were to approach me in private and demonstrate the seriousness and/or magnitude of your claim that my opinion is a detriment to our cause then why have I not heard from you?

I DONT think the company uses these boards and there has been no evidence to support your claim. NO PROOF!! Show me the proof! If you have no proof....5TFU! To quote Knox, "No substance, just baseless claims...more lies".

As do you....have the right to say whatever you want no matter the nonsense...but I have never lied!! I just offer my perspective and opinion and call out the BS that you and others spew...in the interest of dampening the hysteria, hyperbole and histrionics.

You keep slamming me but you and I agree on most things so why do you persist in making me your favorite target? No matter. Don't answer...I don't care about your online persona. You are "fake news".

I fly the contract + I pay dues + I volunteer = I support the union.

 

This is true. There was a lot of back and forth between the moderators, when there was still use of moderators on the 1224 web forum on how to proceed with many posts that had a dissenting opinions. Rather than approve posts, certain moderators denied them claiming it violated terms of service.

The forum became very unpopular quickly after inception because it took longer than posters were willing to wait for approved posts hence it went widely unused. But, even if it were shut down only because of 2 or 3 "long winded" posters, it lends credibility to SI's claim of censorship. It should NEVER have been shut down because of a difference of opinion.