Atlas still using the Marriott Associa above the train station/mall in Nagoya? Planning a trip and might call to see if I can get a better rate.

 

Yes.

Adding 10 characters....

 

I'm afraid this has become a waste of time here, 8. Sadly, after a good 10 year run as a valuable source of information about Atlas this thread has spiraled down the toilet into just another trash talking Flightinfo.com. I'm not certain just when it changed from folks talking 'with' each other into talking 'at' each other but it certainly has.

 

I believe it was about a year after K* got elected. Eat our own first. Simple job, we are always ready to do that. Like a witch hunt. Used P2P to start that, then the new hires during their welcome to Atlas new hire pizza parties. All junior and unknowing of our history which we seem to repeat. New hires ready to gobble up the words of K* as gospel, ignorant of the facts and our history. Worked everyone up to the point some didn't know were the line was and a few got burned by the company. Leadership was not willing to or felt like telling them where that line was were they could save their jobs. Lead from behind leadership mentality. Then that same leadership cleaned house of anyone in the committees that would make a suggestion or not blindly follow their statements on history and facts. Thus causing the proliferation of hate to forums like these.

I've always expected sabotage and reprisal from the company and have experienced it directly. Didn't expect it from my own union to the membership and active committee members.

 

Says a major poster in the "down-the-toilet" movement!

If you look at the history of this thread, you'll see that for many years, posters like Talon and me wrote positive and constructive information geared toward helping potential new hire Atlas pilots become informed about the current status of the Atlas hiring process and specifics of life at Atlas.

When Atlas first bought Southern, we all regarded it as good news until the company decided that they would amalgamate instead of negotiate our new contracts. At that point, we continued to write informative posts clarifying the confusing and negative situation that the company created.

Those of us who still carry on the tradition of informing potential new hires with honest and clear opinions about life at Atlas are frequently attacked and told that our opinions are wrong.

I urge readers who are genuinely interested in Atlas as a potential employer to go as far back as possible in this thread to get a feel for the history of hiring at Atlas and how we got to the place that we find at ourselves today. Doing this will also give a clearer view of the agendas those who are the current frequent posters.

 

Very well said, Sir. Perhaps the original intent of this thread is salvageable if enough folks remain level headed and avoid the histrionics. It is an open forum and of course people are free to post as they wish. In like manner, other users are free to pay close attention to posts that answer their questions and disregard other posts which do not.

 

Good advice.

I think most readers can see through the fog when they are looking for information.

 

Yes, both you and Talon have been informative according to your leaderships wishes over the years after my short review. To include the early and latest mandates given by the past and current ExCos, in which you have complied with exuberantly with each.

I agree, we will do better with a Section 6 negotiation (strike). Unfortunately, we are kind of tied to our scope clause under section 1 of our contract and I expect us loosing that in court and the later arbitration the court will kick it back to. Not dissimilar to how the company wanted to back out of the same section one language of the contract on strike/picket line crossing in court recently they lost. Kind of the pot calling the kettle black scenario in reverse reading the language of the CBA.

Dude*, I see your on LMED as of May 2018 seniority list. Hope your OK despite our dislike of each other. Have had my own over the years here at Atlas. Cancer and a few altercations requiring recovery. Is K* granting you donated LMED leave from the crewmember donated medical bank since you only got hired back in 2011 or UB/FPL? I myself never asked for it while still continuing to volunteer despite the tubes going in and out of me. Now I see why you have well over 1000 posts to my less than 100. Lots of time to lurk and post.

You being hired around thirty days of Kn* didn't helped either. Just makes you tainted with the Nexgen slate stench. A slate that accomplished nothing of their promises to the membership that got them elected. As a matter of fact, the FPL amendment I supported and helped get done did that and more.

I'm sadden about the hijacking of this thread also. One of the ExCo taking it upon themselves to carry on there agenda using selective history recall and posting it here. Leaving out a lot of what we are now repeating from the Atlas/Polar merger.

Talon, you've been somewhat civil. I'm not anti-union as I have been labeled by K* before and after the FPL amendment vote. I have decades of direct involvement before his recent rise to repeat history again, minus the his jail time.

I could go on, but lets head back to the 1224 forums for that for however long that may last. Although our leadership is doing it's best to kill it.

Currently Atlas leadership says the forums are down. One level up at 1224 they say it's still up and the Atlas ExCo has only withdrawn their moderators to approve posts. So we are left with only the non-Atlas moderators to approve posts and they have according to the TOS published. Maybe that is better considering the past deletions, censoring, ignoring and etc by the Atlas moderators. Unfortunately, part is that there are few 1224 moderators so posting is slow.

 

Sudden, what lawsuit are you referring to? There are no more lawsuits (right now). Arbitrators have been selected. Dates have been set. If you're unaware of this, it makes it seem as though you don't really know what you are talking about with regards to current events at Atlas.

 

I'm referring to the company filed lawsuit on the grievance the company filed on us and we ignored it. We didn't process it via the grievance protocols. That company lawsuit is to compel us to follow the grievance procedure and will probably just end with an order for us to go thru the section 19 process on the company's grievance. Will probably end in an arbitration on that grievnce to determine if we are going to be section 1 (amalgamation) or RLA section 6 (able to strike) negotiations.

Mouthful of stuff to say and easy to get lost in the legal crap. I didn't do a great job on it and it wasn't very well explained before in the Chairman's Update 6-19-2018. It's still up on the union site if you want to cross check me or you can try to make the Atlas/Southern call that was recently changed to July 24 if you check your email. I'm sure it will come up again there or just ask on the call.

So yes, there is still a company lawsuit against us unless something more recent changed that.

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I along with everyone else here noted the edited names (*) in previous posts all of a sudden. Got a few emails on it myself. Guessing a complaint was made and the moderators here decided to edit them because I called DC8DRIVER by his first name. Everything with a * was modified by someone else, not me. Not sure if they removed the news links on purpose or just as a result of their name editing unknowingly.

Funny how turning on the lights can cause the roaches to scatter.

This kind of brings up the fact that it doesn't take the company's social media monitors much via subpoena or using similar methods I use to identify posters. In the company's case, I know of a couple of our guys that got taken hostage and fired for getting too lippy and threatening. When I tracked for the union, the offenders sabotaging our previous leaderships efforts got elected to office without charges filed. Our current administration doesn't have a problem making up false charges just to make a point or for a sound bite on crew calls exampled by the FPL amendment that passed resulting in wasting a lot of time and money for all. Maybe they paid themselves more UB/FPL pay for their the time used.