Atlas Air Hiring
11-06-2021 | 08:17 AM
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They have had LDS(Large Display System - https://www.l2aviation.com/products/LDS ) conversions “scheduled” several different times, and every time we get to the planned start date for the conversions it gets pushed a year. I think it’s happened 3 times now. I suspect it will get pushed again based on what I’ve heard from some in MX.
11-06-2021 | 08:20 AM
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When I went to the 767 we had 2 weeks of systems ground school.
The differences between the programs are night and day.
11-06-2021 | 08:42 AM
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Its so good to hear that, the firehose treatment is really bad. Is there anything you would recommend I look at for the 747 with regards to flows, profiles, call outs etc? I realize it has been said there is enough time when you get there but just wondering if it’s worth getting a head start.
As far as selection of the aircraft you want to fly, how accommodating are they? Ideally I want the 747 first followed by the 777 but could they turn around and just say we want you on the 737 or 767? Not the end of the world I guess as you can change in 18 months I believe but I presume don’t say in an interview that ‘You won’t accept the 767 or 737’
Thanks for the help.
As far as selection of the aircraft you want to fly, how accommodating are they? Ideally I want the 747 first followed by the 777 but could they turn around and just say we want you on the 737 or 767? Not the end of the world I guess as you can change in 18 months I believe but I presume don’t say in an interview that ‘You won’t accept the 767 or 737’
Thanks for the help.
Also, there’s no need to work on profiles and call outs before you get to training. You’re bound to learn the wrong thing somewhere along the way if you try to find something online and it’s better if you just wait til you’re here.
11-06-2021 | 08:53 AM
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Gateway travel
I’m just over 6000 plus with about 3000 121 time and 2600 TPIC from King Airs. I would take what I’m offered but hopefully get a widebody and that’s mainly because it’s quite a big difference in salary and flying a 747 is an itch I just have to scratch.
I know they pay for the commute and hotel etc but why would they be willing to commute you from say Honolulu to JFK obviously within the US but a large distance but not say Brisbane on the east coast of Australia to LAX, not really that much extra flight time.
I loved living in the US but just wondering why you can’t do international gateway especially as they fly to HK, Sydney, Singapore and probably even Brisbane etc.?
I know they pay for the commute and hotel etc but why would they be willing to commute you from say Honolulu to JFK obviously within the US but a large distance but not say Brisbane on the east coast of Australia to LAX, not really that much extra flight time.
I loved living in the US but just wondering why you can’t do international gateway especially as they fly to HK, Sydney, Singapore and probably even Brisbane etc.?
11-06-2021 | 10:59 AM
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I would refrain from studying anything until you have interviewed and have a CJO with an aircraft assignment. With regard to International Gateway, probably not valuable to the company to offer it contractually. But it could be offered in the future. International fares can be a bit more volatile than domestic which may be another factor.
11-06-2021 | 12:23 PM
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I’m just over 6000 plus with about 3000 121 time and 2600 TPIC from King Airs. I would take what I’m offered but hopefully get a widebody and that’s mainly because it’s quite a big difference in salary and flying a 747 is an itch I just have to scratch.
I know they pay for the commute and hotel etc but why would they be willing to commute you from say Honolulu to JFK obviously within the US but a large distance but not say Brisbane on the east coast of Australia to LAX, not really that much extra flight time.
I loved living in the US but just wondering why you can’t do international gateway especially as they fly to HK, Sydney, Singapore and probably even Brisbane etc.?
I know they pay for the commute and hotel etc but why would they be willing to commute you from say Honolulu to JFK obviously within the US but a large distance but not say Brisbane on the east coast of Australia to LAX, not really that much extra flight time.
I loved living in the US but just wondering why you can’t do international gateway especially as they fly to HK, Sydney, Singapore and probably even Brisbane etc.?
11-06-2021 | 12:38 PM
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How many days are they doing for systems ground school? When I went through on the 747 we had 1.5 days of systems ground school. It was basically completely self study then have 1.5 days with an instructor to ask questions. Pretty ridiculous. Hopefully they’ve changed it.
When I went to the 767 we had 2 weeks of systems ground school.
The differences between the programs are night and day.
When I went to the 767 we had 2 weeks of systems ground school.
The differences between the programs are night and day.
2 weeks must be nice!.
11-06-2021 | 01:45 PM
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From: Whale FO
How many days are they doing for systems ground school? When I went through on the 747 we had 1.5 days of systems ground school. It was basically completely self study then have 1.5 days with an instructor to ask questions. Pretty ridiculous. Hopefully they’ve changed it.
When I went to the 767 we had 2 weeks of systems ground school.
The differences between the programs are night and day.
When I went to the 767 we had 2 weeks of systems ground school.
The differences between the programs are night and day.
It's plenty.
11-06-2021 | 02:45 PM
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The 767 program has all the same CBT’s, but then about 2 weeks of classroom systems training as well. The 747 program was designed and approved when the vast majority of pilots coming in the door were current/qualified in the 747 or at least a ton of time in widebodies already. It never evolved from there as experience levels plummeted. They just tack on additional sims/class at the end of training when there’s a specific problem to address. For instance…It was only a few years ago they added a 4 hour session with nothing but landings after your type ride…and that was only because of, as I recall, about $12mil in damage done in about a year from hard landings. Half of that was on a single -8 in, I believe, Quito.
11-06-2021 | 09:01 PM
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From: Whale FO
I was referring to just classroom time, not SITs. Sounds like it’s still the same.
The 767 program has all the same CBT’s, but then about 2 weeks of classroom systems training as well. The 747 program was designed and approved when the vast majority of pilots coming in the door were current/qualified in the 747 or at least a ton of time in widebodies already. It never evolved from there as experience levels plummeted. They just tack on additional sims/class at the end of training when there’s a specific problem to address. For instance…It was only a few years ago they added a 4 hour session with nothing but landings after your type ride…and that was only because of, as I recall, about $12mil in damage done in about a year from hard landings. Half of that was on a single -8 in, I believe, Quito.
The 767 program has all the same CBT’s, but then about 2 weeks of classroom systems training as well. The 747 program was designed and approved when the vast majority of pilots coming in the door were current/qualified in the 747 or at least a ton of time in widebodies already. It never evolved from there as experience levels plummeted. They just tack on additional sims/class at the end of training when there’s a specific problem to address. For instance…It was only a few years ago they added a 4 hour session with nothing but landings after your type ride…and that was only because of, as I recall, about $12mil in damage done in about a year from hard landings. Half of that was on a single -8 in, I believe, Quito.
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