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Old 11-06-2021, 06:35 AM
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Originally Posted by dera View Post
On the 747 training is the opposite of drinking from a firehose.
By the time you hit the checking events, you are overprepared. They could cut the footprint in half and people would still pass.
Obviously, take training seriously, but it's totally different than let's say regional airline training is.
Its so good to hear that, the firehose treatment is really bad. Is there anything you would recommend I look at for the 747 with regards to flows, profiles, call outs etc? I realize it has been said there is enough time when you get there but just wondering if it’s worth getting a head start.

As far as selection of the aircraft you want to fly, how accommodating are they? Ideally I want the 747 first followed by the 777 but could they turn around and just say we want you on the 737 or 767? Not the end of the world I guess as you can change in 18 months I believe but I presume don’t say in an interview that ‘You won’t accept the 767 or 737’

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Old 11-06-2021, 07:22 AM
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Its so good to hear that, the firehose treatment is really bad. Is there anything you would recommend I look at for the 747 with regards to flows, profiles, call outs etc? I realize it has been said there is enough time when you get there but just wondering if it’s worth getting a head start.

As far as selection of the aircraft you want to fly, how accommodating are they? Ideally I want the 747 first followed by the 777 but could they turn around and just say we want you on the 737 or 767? Not the end of the world I guess as you can change in 18 months I believe but I presume don’t say in an interview that ‘You won’t accept the 767 or 737’

Thanks for the help.
Just work on the CPATs and try to have them finish before training once you get access to them. You have plenty of time for call outs flows and profiles.
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Old 11-06-2021, 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Kurat View Post
Are there updated avionics on the 767 fleet? Standardized or hodgepodge?

Also curious about 747's.......
The old joke that is actually the truth is that our 767 fleet was completely standard…until we got the second plane. It remains that way. No updated avionics.

They have had LDS(Large Display System - https://www.l2aviation.com/products/LDS ) conversions “scheduled” several different times, and every time we get to the planned start date for the conversions it gets pushed a year. I think it’s happened 3 times now. I suspect it will get pushed again based on what I’ve heard from some in MX.
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Old 11-06-2021, 08:20 AM
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Just work on the CPATs and try to have them finish before training once you get access to them. You have plenty of time for call outs flows and profiles.
How many days are they doing for systems ground school? When I went through on the 747 we had 1.5 days of systems ground school. It was basically completely self study then have 1.5 days with an instructor to ask questions. Pretty ridiculous. Hopefully they’ve changed it.

When I went to the 767 we had 2 weeks of systems ground school.

The differences between the programs are night and day.
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Old 11-06-2021, 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Egg320 View Post
Its so good to hear that, the firehose treatment is really bad. Is there anything you would recommend I look at for the 747 with regards to flows, profiles, call outs etc? I realize it has been said there is enough time when you get there but just wondering if it’s worth getting a head start.

As far as selection of the aircraft you want to fly, how accommodating are they? Ideally I want the 747 first followed by the 777 but could they turn around and just say we want you on the 737 or 767? Not the end of the world I guess as you can change in 18 months I believe but I presume don’t say in an interview that ‘You won’t accept the 767 or 737’

Thanks for the help.
If you don’t have much time they’ll put you on 737. >2500 hours seems like they’re willing to take your request into consideration. 747 is Atlas’s bread and butter so that seems to be the most popular spot to end up.

Also, there’s no need to work on profiles and call outs before you get to training. You’re bound to learn the wrong thing somewhere along the way if you try to find something online and it’s better if you just wait til you’re here.
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Old 11-06-2021, 08:53 AM
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I’m just over 6000 plus with about 3000 121 time and 2600 TPIC from King Airs. I would take what I’m offered but hopefully get a widebody and that’s mainly because it’s quite a big difference in salary and flying a 747 is an itch I just have to scratch.

I know they pay for the commute and hotel etc but why would they be willing to commute you from say Honolulu to JFK obviously within the US but a large distance but not say Brisbane on the east coast of Australia to LAX, not really that much extra flight time.

I loved living in the US but just wondering why you can’t do international gateway especially as they fly to HK, Sydney, Singapore and probably even Brisbane etc.?
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Old 11-06-2021, 10:59 AM
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I would refrain from studying anything until you have interviewed and have a CJO with an aircraft assignment. With regard to International Gateway, probably not valuable to the company to offer it contractually. But it could be offered in the future. International fares can be a bit more volatile than domestic which may be another factor.
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Old 11-06-2021, 12:23 PM
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I’m just over 6000 plus with about 3000 121 time and 2600 TPIC from King Airs. I would take what I’m offered but hopefully get a widebody and that’s mainly because it’s quite a big difference in salary and flying a 747 is an itch I just have to scratch.

I know they pay for the commute and hotel etc but why would they be willing to commute you from say Honolulu to JFK obviously within the US but a large distance but not say Brisbane on the east coast of Australia to LAX, not really that much extra flight time.

I loved living in the US but just wondering why you can’t do international gateway especially as they fly to HK, Sydney, Singapore and probably even Brisbane etc.?
It is the way Gateway Travel is covered contractually and since we have bases and not home basing. The best way to work it is pick a gateway city far from the base that will consistently have high ticket prices and then if that ticket is cheaper then day Brisbane to base, they will be happy to book it….
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Old 11-06-2021, 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by HPIC View Post
How many days are they doing for systems ground school? When I went through on the 747 we had 1.5 days of systems ground school. It was basically completely self study then have 1.5 days with an instructor to ask questions. Pretty ridiculous. Hopefully they’ve changed it.

When I went to the 767 we had 2 weeks of systems ground school.

The differences between the programs are night and day.
That's 1.5 more hours than what you get on the 73 haha.
2 weeks must be nice!.
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Old 11-06-2021, 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by HPIC View Post
How many days are they doing for systems ground school? When I went through on the 747 we had 1.5 days of systems ground school. It was basically completely self study then have 1.5 days with an instructor to ask questions. Pretty ridiculous. Hopefully they’ve changed it.

When I went to the 767 we had 2 weeks of systems ground school.

The differences between the programs are night and day.
The formal systems training is still the cbt, but the SITs teach you a ton of systems too, so I'd say just over a week total.
It's plenty.
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