C17B74

This is the reality. It could easily be the best game in town or out of town for that matter. That’s the irritation point as most of us know it could be the best but historically the data does not lend itself to be on that vector to capture. I enjoy the pluses and hope we continue to strive to alleviate the minuses.

*As someone mentioned regarding their priorities, it checks a lot of boxes for myself but I am not the norm regarding the most popular boxes. I will say as the new “rules” are being implemented, this month’s bid line has been staying intact for the most part and when not compensation has been directed. Flying harder than before which could be a glitch but a fair guess is efficiency is falling into place ever so slowly or in my case rapidly. Just passed 40hrs in about a week being out… At this rate I will exceed the awarded bid line credit but the night is still young and there are always monkey wrenches in every system. TBD at this time.

The hiring curve success rate (those who apply, show, finish, stay for a period, etc.) will no doubt shallow out, especially as viral grip loosens and or other outfits hire even more rapidly to include contracts being negotiated currently or in the near future. Numbers during pre-viral state of affairs seem to have arrived or will be arriving and could even be worse especially come January. If you have no water pressure it doesn’t matter how much you open the spigot. We’ll just wait and see just how the company mitigates the effects. Today’s tactics are not working for tomorrow….

Egg320

I don’t work there but it would tick a lot of boxes for me as well. Who knows, maybe when it gets real bad next year changes will BE FORCED on senior management and those in charge. At some point the shareholders etc will surely get upset with the CEO and his shenanigans.

Again maybe just wishful thinking but surely this situation just cannot continue, there has to be and always is a point where one goes too far. Where that point is I don’t know but it sure will be interesting to see how they deal with what is now expected to be an extremely tough couple of years regarding recruitment.

I can only assume especially for US pilots that their options are about to explode in where they can go and what they can potentially earn etc.

itsapilotperson

Hey guys i was just wondering how likely for a new pilot out of a part 141 school to get hired on 737 or wide body with Atlas with 1500 hours?

I would really like to live in Southern California, so ONT or LAX would be great. What do you think about the longterm outlook for ONT? Does Atlas only fly for Amazon out of ONT? In that case could Amazon just screw Atlas and hire its own pilots for less pay and fly its own planes? Thus closing ONT?

I see Atlas is not a time building airline, but i just want to be employed.

Setspeed

Currently, it’d say you won’t be getting into a widebody but maybe a 737. All you can do is apply.

Just about all flying from the ONT base is for Amazon, yes. Could we lose ONT in the future based on Amazon’s plans? Yes.

Swakid8

Ill be honest, you will be better off goi g the regional route right now. You will build your experience faster and upgrade will come quick with the movement. Once you get some TPIC under your then look to coming over if you are still interested.

Lionhaart

what makes you reach that conclusion?

At the regionals there is NO guarantee that you’ll build time quick. Chances are you’ll be sitting reserve for months if not longer.

there’s also no guarantee of upgrading.

you are guaranteed to crashpads and standby commuting (and making around $45k a year on that first year).

If you make it at atlas you are guaranteed a Boeing type rating, NO crashpads and a salary of 70k minimum. You make six figures guaranteed year 2.

both are after OE. Yes you get a bonus but it’s more of a bond. You’ll get 75% of that bonus (Uncle Sam gets 25%) but will be signing up for years with that regional. Ugh…

I recommend atlas for newcomers especially if you can live on base. We have a contract with Amazon until 2023. By then you can transition to the 76 or the 77 and stay in Cali.

come on over man…Atlas is booming.

ps: you can build time at atlas. Ask the 74ers…

Egg320

How long for a new hire to hold LAX on either 747 or 777 and which has the more stable roster in this particular base?
Also would you back into LAX quite often during your trip?

Swakid8

Come On man, you don’t need to pull out the recruiting talking points with me.

I’ve came to that conclusion based on knowing how much the 737 guys are flying (fresh ATPs aren’t getting hired into the wide body fleet, let’s be real here), current upgrade times here at Atlas vs the regionals and the regionals hurting for captains.

One will get their 1000 hours of 121 quicker at the regionals than they will on the 737 to be upgrade eligible. Two, the upgrade will be there once one reaches 1000 hours of 121. Reserve times? You won’t sit reserve long as a Regional FO, you will have a stint of reserve as a Captain. I suspect those times will dropping quickly with the staffing issues that the regionals are having.

Atlas is booming, but the environment today. I can’t honestly recommend someone who is new to 121, fresh ATP to come here to build experience. I would only look to Atlas once you have the 121 experience. Then come on over to test the Waters. If one likes it great, make it a career, if once doesn’t. Well, you have a solid resume bullet point that will help one move on.

heavymetal101

That's one way to look at it. Atlas may be booming but so is the amount of pilots leaving out the front door. If you're thinking about coming here or have multiple job offers you just have to be real with yourself. Yes, gateway travel is nice and they provide the hotel, but if you're working a fleet other than a 747, youre going to be spending a lot of time traveling to and from your gateway city and base. whereas on the 74 with the 17 day lines, youre "only" burning 2 days of your 13 off to travel for work. If I had friends thinking about coming here I would tell them to hold off until Atlas gets AQP, whenever that may be, and they increase their training pay as $1,600 a month is just not industry standard, especially when you will be making that for 1/3 of a year. We're all here for a reason, but it is nice to know all the information you can get before making a decision.

Roverruckus

It's not like the other fleets don't have 17 days lines, and hell, the 73, which is where someone with 1500 hours would go to has deadheads to start and end every trip anyways so you wouldn't even gateway then.