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Old 11-27-2023, 07:35 PM
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Definitely need to push those upgrades as it seems we are behind the power curve. Obviously hiring continues at a high rate, but just watching the amount of open time requests for Captains vs FO's shows the deficit - nothing new
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Old 11-27-2023, 10:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Clue32 View Post
Those are dates of hire, not dates of upgrade. Upgrades happen every month.
That's actually pretty sweet: 5-6 years and one can be WB CA. I mean, United started giving NB CA spots to NHs, however, it is still 20-25 years to the WB left seat.
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Old 11-28-2023, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Taffik View Post
That's actually pretty sweet: 5-6 years and one can be WB CA. I mean, United started giving NB CA spots to NHs, however, it is still 20-25 years to the WB left seat.
Not quite for someone hired today. Assuming no future growth, the mandatory retirements ahead of me and including the record number of people that have left ahead of me in my time here, I am looking at an 11 year upgrade time to reach the relative seniority needed to hold the most junior wide body captain position as an early 2022 hire. I would not come here expecting a 5-6 year widebody upgrade unless they announce a lot more airframes to be added.
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Old 11-28-2023, 01:32 PM
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Not quite for someone hired today. Assuming no future growth, the mandatory retirements ahead of me and including the record number of people that have left ahead of me in my time here, I am looking at an 11 year upgrade time to reach the relative seniority needed to hold the most junior wide body captain position as an early 2022 hire. I would not come here expecting a 5-6 year widebody upgrade unless they announce a lot more airframes to be added.
I'm new on property - how did you calculate 11 years? They told me 6 years on the 767 but I believe thats based on the last 767 captain who's been here about 6 years - but one guy in my class is upgrading to 76 Captain from the 747 FO side - think he's been here 5.5 or so. Just wondering how you calculated it... 11 years they will throw me out for old age
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Old 11-28-2023, 01:49 PM
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Not quite for someone hired today. Assuming no future growth, the mandatory retirements ahead of me and including the record number of people that have left ahead of me in my time here, I am looking at an 11 year upgrade time to reach the relative seniority needed to hold the most junior wide body captain position as an early 2022 hire. I would not come here expecting a 5-6 year widebody upgrade unless they announce a lot more airframes to be added.
11 years is a long way to wait, when one is not in his 20s. Correct me, if I'm wrong, I can't remember where I read this, but Atlas have years of service, don't they? Will you move into year 11 CA on pay scale when you upgrade after 11 years?
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Old 11-28-2023, 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by eminitrader View Post
I'm new on property - how did you calculate 11 years? They told me 6 years on the 767 but I believe thats based on the last 767 captain who's been here about 6 years - but one guy in my class is upgrading to 76 Captain from the 747 FO side - think he's been here 5.5 or so. Just wondering how you calculated it... 11 years they will throw me out for old age
I took the number of seniority slots ahead of me from the most junior wide body captain and subtracted out all of the mandatory age 65 retirements ahead of me. It came to the year 2033 for me when I would reach that relative seniority level. That is just a rough estimate though which assumes no growth.
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Old 11-28-2023, 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Taffik View Post
11 years is a long way to wait, when one is not in his 20s. Correct me, if I'm wrong, I can't remember where I read this, but Atlas have years of service, don't they? Will you move into year 11 CA on pay scale when you upgrade after 11 years?
Yes, you would be on year 11 CA pay in that scenario.
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Old 11-28-2023, 02:33 PM
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Yes, you would be on year 11 CA pay in that scenario.
Thank you much for confirming it!
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Old 11-28-2023, 03:41 PM
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Makes sense if everything were to remain the same. Even as a 2022, 21, 20 hire there will be quite a few more folks that will depart the fix for their dream career and we wish them all the best. Remember those times a few years ago when cargo was the only game in town and many sought refuge during that debacle so that group has just been waiting for the right call. Aside from that, normal hemorrhaging and retirements you can sprinkle a few more for medical as things do happen. Sales department has been the tip of the spear here so hopefully this will continue and 777 seems to be the proven future at this point. Next contract cycle wil dictate your footprint more than anything else with our new owners.
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Old 11-28-2023, 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Switch View Post
Not quite for someone hired today. Assuming no future growth, the mandatory retirements ahead of me and including the record number of people that have left ahead of me in my time here, I am looking at an 11 year upgrade time to reach the relative seniority needed to hold the most junior wide body captain position as an early 2022 hire. I would not come here expecting a 5-6 year widebody upgrade unless they announce a lot more airframes to be added.
Originally Posted by Taffik View Post
11 years is a long way to wait, when one is not in his 20s. Correct me, if I'm wrong, I can't remember where I read this, but Atlas have years of service, don't they? Will you move into year 11 CA on pay scale when you upgrade after 11 years?
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